Disabling Graphics Cards

CU_AMiGA · 23 February 2007, 12:23

Hi

Not really a problem here, more of a query. Is it possible to disable graphics cards such as Picasso IV and CybervisionPPC without having to uninstall them hardware wise/physically?

Regards

Bamiga2002 · 23 February 2007, 12:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by CU_AMiGA

Hi

Not really a problem here, more of a query. Is it possible to disable graphics cards such as Picasso IV and CybervisionPPC without having to uninstall them hardware wise/physically?

Regards

Sure, just move the appropriate monitor drivers from DEVS:MONITORS to STORAGE/MONITORS.

CU_AMiGA · 23 February 2007, 13:09

Well i mean so the Amiga wouldn't know that it was installed at all. For example AmiEmulator series work far too fast when a graphic card is installed. When you take it out it'll be ok again. I was wondering whether it there would be a way to access something before the Amiga even booted to disable it or something.

Zetr0 · 23 February 2007, 16:08

hmmm

you know you can create multiple startup files with a list booted at the star asking what you want you know... I did this donkeys ago to allow certain programs run without the 060 but with the gfx card and vice versa and obviously option 1 being all on

alexh · 23 February 2007, 16:18

What the hell is "AmiEmulator" series?

If they are what I think they are i.e. Emulators for Amiga's.

Why would you even want to use them? I am sure you have a modern PC / X-Box somewhere.... probably with more accurate emulators.

StingRay · 23 February 2007, 16:41

You can do some checking in the startup sequence and depending on the result you either skip loading of the gfx card monitor or not. Way back in 1991 I coded a small thing which just checks the status of the caps lock key, if it's off, normal startup-sequence is executed, if it's on my "just for coding" ultra short startup-sequence is executed which just gives me a shell and stuff.

If that would help you, I can send you the little caps lock checking program. Disabling gfx cards once the monitor driver has been loaded is not possible (I think).

CU_AMiGA · 23 February 2007, 17:40

I am not sure if the above methods will work. For example AmiMasterGear "bangs" the hardware toi get your top performance. So it wont work with PPC or graphics cards at all. But my Picasso IV card causes this emualtor to run far too fast - and i haven't even installed the graphics drivers for it yet? Now obviously i wouldn't have this problem if i uninstalled this hardware, but i was wondering whether there is a way to make the Amiga not recognise this on boot up?

keropi · 23 February 2007, 17:59

so pIV makes it run like hell? how odd....

CU_AMiGA · 23 February 2007, 18:18

i think so. i will have a go without it installed using the flickermagic instead.

StingRay · 23 February 2007, 19:43

the PIV is only activated/enabled if the monitor driver is loaded else not. Without having the monitor driver for it loaded, you could have 20 PIV's in your Amiga but the HW wouldn't use them!

Are you sure there is no monitordriver loaded for the card? It's somehow very odd.

What happens if you boot without startup-sequence, execute setpatch and then start AmiMasterGear?

CU_AMiGA · 23 February 2007, 19:49

i will try that out.

StingRay · 23 February 2007, 19:52

Ok, I'd like to hear the result.

viddi · 23 February 2007, 22:17

@StingRay:

Yes, it works that way.

Chain · 24 February 2007, 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

I coded a small thing which just checks the status of the caps lock key, if it's off, normal startup-sequence is executed, if it's on my "just for coding" ultra short startup-sequence is executed which just gives me a shell and stuff.

yaaay, can you share it with us please?

im using similar tool called "ismouse" and have two branches of s-s where it depends on output errorcode.

switching witch capslock looks really comfortably

CU_AMiGA · 25 February 2007, 13:15

Right. Just tested AmiMastergear without Picasso and used the Flickermagic instead. I get the same results. AmiMastergear wont start if i use the boot with nostartup sequence mode. The best luck i have had is i use no cpu cache before i boot up - but then AmiMastergear is way too slow. I may have a try with setpatch. I think it is the csmk3 that is too fast (maybe cos it basically a ppc board with no ppc). Maybe i should geta csmk2. Can anyone else try AmiMastergear on their setup too? Anyone else got any ideas?

Cheers

CU_AMiGA · 25 February 2007, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by StingRay

the PIV is only activated/enabled if the monitor driver is loaded else not. Without having the monitor driver for it loaded, you could have 20 PIV's in your Amiga but the HW wouldn't use them!

Are you sure there is no monitordriver loaded for the card? It's somehow very odd.

What happens if you boot without startup-sequence, execute setpatch and then start AmiMasterGear?

Just tried that method - same result.

alexh · 25 February 2007, 18:53

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I think it is the csmk3 that is too fast (maybe cos it basically a ppc board with no ppc). Maybe i should geta csmk2.

I'll swap you one if you like. Straight swap 1:1

CU_AMiGA · 25 February 2007, 19:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

I'll swap you one if you like. Straight swap 1:1

Hi

Sorry. If i did do a swap for your csmk2, it would not be a straight swap. CSMK3 are better, rare and worth a lot more on than CSMK2. You only have to look on ebay to confirm this. Plus if the same thing happened on a CSMK1 or 2 then it would be pointless anyway!

Regards

alexh · 25 February 2007, 19:28

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If i did do a swap for your csmk2, it would not be a straight swap.

Erm, it was a joke. See if you were gullable enough

Quote:

Plus if the same thing happened on a CSMK1 or 2 then it would be pointless anyway!

Of course the same thing would happen.

CU_AMiGA · 25 February 2007, 20:57

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Originally Posted by alexh

Erm, it was a joke. See if you were gullable enough

Erm, how was i supposed to know that?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Of course the same thing would happen.

How do you know that? And why would that be the case?

23 February 2007, 12:23	#1
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 39 Posts: 970	Disabling Graphics Cards Hi Not really a problem here, more of a query. Is it possible to disable graphics cards such as Picasso IV and CybervisionPPC without having to uninstall them hardware wise/physically? Regards

23 February 2007, 19:43	#10
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	the PIV is only activated/enabled if the monitor driver is loaded else not. Without having the monitor driver for it loaded, you could have 20 PIV's in your Amiga but the HW wouldn't use them! Are you sure there is no monitordriver loaded for the card? It's somehow very odd. What happens if you boot without startup-sequence, execute setpatch and then start AmiMasterGear? Last edited by StingRay; 23 February 2007 at 19:51.

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23 February 2007, 13:09	#3
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 39 Posts: 970	Well i mean so the Amiga wouldn't know that it was installed at all. For example AmiEmulator series work far too fast when a graphic card is installed. When you take it out it'll be ok again. I was wondering whether it there would be a way to access something before the Amiga even booted to disable it or something.

23 February 2007, 16:08	#4
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	hmmm you know you can create multiple startup files with a list booted at the star asking what you want you know... I did this donkeys ago to allow certain programs run without the 060 but with the gfx card and vice versa and obviously option 1 being all on

23 February 2007, 16:18	#5
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,354	What the hell is "AmiEmulator" series? If they are what I think they are i.e. Emulators for Amiga's. Why would you even want to use them? I am sure you have a modern PC / X-Box somewhere.... probably with more accurate emulators.

23 February 2007, 16:41	#6
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	You can do some checking in the startup sequence and depending on the result you either skip loading of the gfx card monitor or not. Way back in 1991 I coded a small thing which just checks the status of the caps lock key, if it's off, normal startup-sequence is executed, if it's on my "just for coding" ultra short startup-sequence is executed which just gives me a shell and stuff. If that would help you, I can send you the little caps lock checking program. Disabling gfx cards once the monitor driver has been loaded is not possible (I think).

23 February 2007, 17:40	#7
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 39 Posts: 970	I am not sure if the above methods will work. For example AmiMasterGear "bangs" the hardware toi get your top performance. So it wont work with PPC or graphics cards at all. But my Picasso IV card causes this emualtor to run far too fast - and i haven't even installed the graphics drivers for it yet? Now obviously i wouldn't have this problem if i uninstalled this hardware, but i was wondering whether there is a way to make the Amiga not recognise this on boot up?

23 February 2007, 17:59	#8
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	so pIV makes it run like hell? how odd....

23 February 2007, 18:18	#9
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 39 Posts: 970	i think so. i will have a go without it installed using the flickermagic instead.

23 February 2007, 19:49	#11
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 39 Posts: 970	i will try that out.

23 February 2007, 19:52	#12
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	Ok, I'd like to hear the result.

23 February 2007, 22:17	#13
viddi Moderator Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Age: 44 Posts: 4,007	@StingRay: Yes, it works that way.

25 February 2007, 13:15	#15
CU_AMiGA Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Exeter Age: 39 Posts: 970	Right. Just tested AmiMastergear without Picasso and used the Flickermagic instead. I get the same results. AmiMastergear wont start if i use the boot with nostartup sequence mode. The best luck i have had is i use no cpu cache before i boot up - but then AmiMastergear is way too slow. I may have a try with setpatch. I think it is the csmk3 that is too fast (maybe cos it basically a ppc board with no ppc). Maybe i should geta csmk2. Can anyone else try AmiMastergear on their setup too? Anyone else got any ideas? Cheers

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