Atari ST HardWare emulators - Page 2

Toni Wilen · 25 October 2009, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

360kb Images arnt supported by WinUae

Simply because nobody has bothered to send any example images (that can be confirmed working, just some random image isn't good enough)

prowler · 25 October 2009, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

Does someone know:
how to switch from high to low resolution (and viceversa) on an Atari ST/Medusa

Okay, I've found my Atari ST manual.

Screen Resolution is selected in Set Preferences. Three screen resolutions are available: Low, Medium and High.

From the manual: "With the Atari High-Resolution Monochrome Monitor, you can select only High Resolution. With the Atari RGB Color Monitor, you can select either Medium or Low Resolution. For best results with a television, you should select Low Resolution."

Warning: If you change screen resolution without a Desktop Disk in Drive A, the Desk Accessories will be erased from memory.

Supamax · 25 October 2009, 17:18

This is the compatibility list (based on my current discoveries):

Code:

Adidas beach volley   crashes while loading
Altered beast         crashes while loading
Another world         loads but I cannot get past the code screen... I'm not able to get the joystick work...?
Arkanoid 2            crashes while loading
Atomic robo-kid       crashes while loading
Barbarian             loads but I cannot get past the main screen... I'm not able to get the joystick work...?
Barbarian II          crashes while loading
Battle chess          crashes while loading
Bio challenge         crashes while loading
Blood money           crashes while loading
Blue war III          loads and shows a welcome screen, then resets the emulated Amiga
Buggy boy             (will test this on the new WinUAE beta)
Cadaver               crashes while loading
Chase H.Q.            crashes while loading
Crackdown             crashes while loading
Double dragon         crashes while loading
Double dragon 2       crashes while loading
Dragon ninja          crashes while loading
Fascination           crashes while loading
Fire & brimstone      crashes while loading
Flying shark          crashes while loading
Fred                  crashes while loading
Ghouls 'n ghosts      crashes while loading
Gobliiins             crashes while loading
Great Giana Sisters   crashes while loading
Trantor               loads but I cannot get past the main screen... I'm not able to get the joystick work...?
...
(Editing/updating)

Note: most games are from ahladnik.free.fr.
Trantor is from www.chipretro.com.

Supamax · 25 October 2009, 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Okay, I've found my Atari ST manual.

Screen Resolution is selected in Set Preferences. Three screen resolutions are available: Low, Medium and High.

From the manual: "With the Atari High-Resolution Monochrome Monitor, you can select only High Resolution. With the Atari RGB Color Monitor, you can select either Medium or Low Resolution. For best results with a television, you should select Low Resolution."

Warning: If you change screen resolution without a Desktop Disk in Drive A, the Desk Accessories will be erased from memory.

The Medusa emulator I have (v1.2a, by Boo Boo) starts in Hires mode and is German

, and most games need an initial Lores mode to start.

I found that I can switch to Lores mode and boot games by:
1) booting Arkanoid 2, so I get a Lores desktop
2) booting the game

Is there another way to switch to lores during the Atari reset? Perhaps a mouse+key combination?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Do you know what version of Medusa you use to have? -Software Only?

Ok, I checked my disks

.
The version I used back in the day is the same as yours: Medusa v1.2a German.

prowler · 25 October 2009, 17:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

Is there another way to switch to lores during the Atari reset? Perhaps a mouse+key combination?

If there is, the manual doesn't mention it.

Why can't you use Set Preferences to change the screen resolution? Is it because you don't have a Desktop Disk image?

I'm sure I have some Desktop Disks. I'll sort them out and see what I've got. If you need an image, I'll produce one for you.

Supamax · 25 October 2009, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

Why can't you use Set Preferences to change the screen resolution? Is it because you don't have a Desktop Disk image?

It could be... I don't have one

.

Quote:

I'm sure I have some Desktop Disks. I'll sort them out and see what I've got. If you need an image, I'll produce one for you.

Thanks!

However, will the resolution change survive the reset (left+right mouse click)?
I'm asking this because many games require a reset to boot. They don't run from Desktop...

Retro1234 · 25 October 2009, 17:57

Could you upload Arkanoid 2

Using Prefs to change Res -Crashes
I thought I used Medusa to run Sim City but was probably one of the other Atari ST emulators.

Edit:What tools do I need on PC to copy .ST disk back to real Floppys?

Supamax · 25 October 2009, 18:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

Could you upload Arkanoid 2

You can find it here:
http://ahladnik.free.fr/arka.htm

Remember to rename its extension from .st to .adf

.

Quote:

Edit:What tools do I need on PC to copy .ST disk back to real Floppys?

I don't know... prowleeeeeeeeeeeer!

prowler · 25 October 2009, 18:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

Thanks!

However, will the resolution change survive the reset (left+right mouse click)?
I'm asking this because many games require a reset to boot. They don't run from Desktop...

The change of resolution will not survive a reset.

However, most games requiring a reset will set the appropriate screen resolution when they boot.

If the games do not boot under emulation, this is probably because the display emulation is buggy. However, this is probably true of the 100% software (i.e. hacked) version only.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boo Boo

:What tools do I need on PC to copy .ST disk back to real Floppys?

I don't know... prowleeeeeeeeeeeer!

I remember doing this quite recently. I'll find the tool I used and upload it or provide a link.

Retro1234 · 25 October 2009, 18:33

Yep - Arkanoid 2 got me into Lores desktop
This software version doesnt seem to be much different to other ST Software emulators - as the medusa hardware didnt have Roms on it and the Roms/TOS were loaded from disks the the chips on the hardware must have done something

I wonder how much more powerful it is with the hardware?

Retro-Nerd · 25 October 2009, 18:38

Maybe this:

http://piters.tripod.com/atari/floimgd.html

Supamax · 25 October 2009, 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

The change of resolution will not survive a reset.

Hmmm, but when I use Arkanoid 2 to change the Desktop resolution, the change does survive a reset...
Perhaps it's not simply a resolution change; it's a "display/monitor" change... but I don't know how to switch it!

Quote:

However, most games requiring a reset will set the appropriate screen resolution when they boot.

This doesn't seem to happen (at least, not under Medusa). Many games load with garbled graphics, unless I change the display mode first (using the Arkanoid 2 disk).
Perhaps you're right and Medusa's display emulation is buggy...

prowler · 25 October 2009, 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Maybe this:

http://piters.tripod.com/atari/floimgd.html

Yes, that would do it!

Here's another link:
http://ppera.07x.net/atari/floimgd.php

Supamax · 25 October 2009, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Simply because nobody has bothered to send any example images (that can be confirmed working, just some random image isn't good enough)

You can find one (Buggy Boy) here:
http://ahladnik.free.fr/buggy.htm
(hope this can help)
It's only one, but... if I find others I'll let you know...

Retro-Nerd · 25 October 2009, 19:08

If you guys need some ST games. Grab 1,6GB here:

http://gbst.atomas.com/gamebase%20im...t%20README.php

Galahad/FLT · 25 October 2009, 20:10

It Toni needs any single sided ST stuff, i've got some, DLFRSILVER has plenty as well.

If people want to change a resolution, just create a blank PC 720K formatted disk with nothing on it, stick that in the drive, and then GEM Desktop will appear so you can then change resolution from the drop down menu.

Then simply swap out the disk for one that you want to load.

I remember getting Trantor to work years ago, but it was incredibly slow.

Probably best to go for either Automation, BBC or Superior menu disks, as these are all cracked to DOS files so SHOULD load without having to reset the ST environment.

Planetemu has loads of menu disks.

Toni Wilen · 25 October 2009, 20:29

Single-sided "PC-like" disk image support will be in next beta. (at least Buggy Boy directory looks sane in Medusa and it loads until corrupt title screen appears)

prowler · 25 October 2009, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supamax

Quote:

Originally Posted by prowler

I'm sure I have some Desktop Disks. I'll sort them out and see what I've got. If you need an image, I'll produce one for you.

Thanks!

I have MEGA/ST (single-sided) and STE (double-sided) UK Language Disks which contain the Desk Accessory files.

I haven't tested them yet, but they are probably 360K and 720K ST formatted disks.

Retro1234 · 25 October 2009, 21:26

Tried Trantor from PlanetEmu one crack goes in game but all graphics are fucked and the other crack by Conan showed begining intro and title screen Perfectley! - Might be worth more investigating!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Single-sided "PC-like" disk image support will be in next beta. (at least Buggy Boy directory looks sane in Medusa and it loads until corrupt title screen appears)

Nice one Toni

and you even check out Medusa

Galahad/FLT · 25 October 2009, 22:52

The disk routines for Medusa are a joke.

Lots of DBRA timed loops for it to seek and step tracks is probably why its having trouble reading disks through WinUAE

25 October 2009, 17:57	#27
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,780	Could you upload Arkanoid 2 Using Prefs to change Res -Crashes I thought I used Medusa to run Sim City but was probably one of the other Atari ST emulators. Edit:What tools do I need on PC to copy .ST disk back to real Floppys? Last edited by Retro1234; 25 October 2009 at 18:02.

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25 October 2009, 18:33	#30
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,780	Yep - Arkanoid 2 got me into Lores desktop This software version doesnt seem to be much different to other ST Software emulators - as the medusa hardware didnt have Roms on it and the Roms/TOS were loaded from disks the the chips on the hardware must have done something I wonder how much more powerful it is with the hardware?

25 October 2009, 18:38	#31
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,447	Maybe this: http://piters.tripod.com/atari/floimgd.html

25 October 2009, 19:08	#35
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,447	If you guys need some ST games. Grab 1,6GB here: http://gbst.atomas.com/gamebase%20im...t%20README.php

25 October 2009, 20:10	#36
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 9,004	It Toni needs any single sided ST stuff, i've got some, DLFRSILVER has plenty as well. If people want to change a resolution, just create a blank PC 720K formatted disk with nothing on it, stick that in the drive, and then GEM Desktop will appear so you can then change resolution from the drop down menu. Then simply swap out the disk for one that you want to load. I remember getting Trantor to work years ago, but it was incredibly slow. Probably best to go for either Automation, BBC or Superior menu disks, as these are all cracked to DOS files so SHOULD load without having to reset the ST environment. Planetemu has loads of menu disks.

25 October 2009, 20:29	#37
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,518	Single-sided "PC-like" disk image support will be in next beta. (at least Buggy Boy directory looks sane in Medusa and it loads until corrupt title screen appears)

25 October 2009, 22:52	#40
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 9,004	The disk routines for Medusa are a joke. Lots of DBRA timed loops for it to seek and step tracks is probably why its having trouble reading disks through WinUAE

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