Amiga Vs ST - Page 3

Retro-Nerd · 03 December 2008, 21:52

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Originally Posted by qwak

I'd be more than happy to release the ST game demos, if you know anyone who can do that, and host them, on a site or whatever. I'm quite happy to share, for nostalgia's sake.

Just a bit busy to spend too much time on it myself.

Jamie.

Maybe you could ask on Atari Legend, i'm sure they would like to release your demos.

http://www.atarilegend.com/news/news.php

qwak · 04 December 2008, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Maybe you could ask on Atari Legend, i'm sure they would like to release your demos.

http://www.atarilegend.com/news/news.php

Thanks. I sent them a mail. Hopefully it'll be a simple job of sticking 3.5" floppies in a PC and using some special software to grab the data (files) from them? Will be interesting to see them on an Emu.

Mind you. I have some old unreleased Amiga stuff too...

Retro-Nerd · 04 December 2008, 00:12

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Originally Posted by qwak

Mind you. I have some old unreleased Amiga stuff too...

Then don't hesitate to post it here:

You could upload this stuff into the Zone:

http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=vb_...ezone_faq_item

DamienD · 04 December 2008, 00:32

...or just speak with CodyJarrett. He runs the Amiga Games That Weren't website

There's also a section on EAB speifically for this kind of stuff: project.aGTW

demoniac · 04 December 2008, 01:08

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Originally Posted by qwak

lol.

Nope. It just didn't happen in the Amiga version! Maybe it said it did on the packaging, I dunno? Blame Psygnosis!

Aren't there pedestrians in the Amiga version? I seemed to remember seeing
a few in the higher levels.

qwak · 06 December 2008, 23:50

The problem is getting stuff off the floppies and on to a PC (same with my ST stuff too). I'm sure it'll happen though.

qwak · 06 December 2008, 23:53

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Originally Posted by demoniac

Aren't there pedestrians in the Amiga version? I seemed to remember seeing a few in the higher levels.

Nope.

Defo no pedestrians in the Amiga version (not unless they sneaked another coder in while I wasn't looking and they added secret hidden bits of code in to the game).

Jamie.

Galahad/FLT · 07 December 2008, 00:00

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Originally Posted by qwak

Nope.

Defo no pedestrians in the Amiga version (not unless they sneaked another coder in while I wasn't looking and they added secret hidden bits of code in to the game).

Jamie.

Did Nitro do good business for you?

Always thought software released through Psygnosis sold quite well, well, thats the perception of their expensive looking packaging and adverts!

demoniac · 09 December 2008, 02:17

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Originally Posted by qwak

Defo no pedestrians in the Amiga version (not unless they sneaked another coder in while I wasn't looking and they added secret hidden bits of code in to the game).

Jamie.

Ah, thanks for the official word! Cheers.

qwak · 09 December 2008, 23:26

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Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Did Nitro do good business for you?

Always thought software released through Psygnosis sold quite well, well, thats the perception of their expensive looking packaging and adverts!

Nope.

Not really.

Oh, and what is it they say about books and covers?

Fred the Fop · 23 December 2008, 18:49

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Originally Posted by coze

it's kind of funny to read the comments and see the clowns still insisting amiga did not have technical superiority just because it had a lower clocked CPU.

Keep your mouth shut, you shemale

I saw this thread on Atari Forums (I am boycotting EAB
for a number of reasons, especially the anti Atari tack lately),
and it bothers me Atari St still gets no respect!
Thisgoes for you too, Cyber Druid

TCD · 23 December 2008, 19:05

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Originally Posted by Fred the Fop

Thisgoes for you too, Cyber Druid

Oh oh, me has hurt Freds feelings

I'm sorry mate

I never denied the Atari ST is close second *thinks of another machine to rant about...*

Nice to see you around again and Merry Christmas Fred

dlfrsilver · 23 December 2008, 20:41

it has some Hurryble scrolls

hehehe

Adropac2 · 24 December 2008, 12:19

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Originally Posted by Fred the Fop

Keep your mouth shut, you shemale

I saw this thread on Atari Forums (I am boycotting EAB
for a number of reasons, especially the anti Atari tack lately),
and it bothers me Atari St still gets no respect!
Thisgoes for you too, Cyber Druid

To be fair though the ST was fairly ghastly compared to the Amiga.It did however have an absolute charm all of itself and a bit like say the Spectrum.I loved my time spent gaming on ST and of course you still can't play Oids or Super Sprint( I actually prefer the ST version over Arcade) on Amiga

Wouldn't trade in my ST memories for anything as they were treasured times indeed.I did however trade my ST in for an Amiga at around the time Starglider2 came out - it was too painfully jealous a time not too have one at this point as the Amiga was fairly incredible when compared.Regularly i would visit a friend and he would show me the latest stuff on Amiga, but it when i saw Sodan that i absolutely had to have one

And when i say i traded it in, i mean sold it to go towards an Amiga as my dad made the money difference - i still thank him for this.Special day that was when i finally got the A500

Of course if you didn't have an Amiga, ST still provided some great games and a ton of fun.You could never go back though if you owned the A500.

I very much doubt we will ever again be wowed as much as when the Amiga entered our lives, it's a tough act to follow

Thorham · 24 December 2008, 12:32

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Originally Posted by coze

it's kind of funny to read the comments and see the clowns still insisting amiga did not have technical superiority just because it had a lower clocked CPU.

Indeed! Especially because they both use the same eight mhz cpu

Not to mention all the Amigas custom chips... ST better than Amiga? Of course! The ST has a midi port and the Amiga does not

Sorry, guys, but I just couldn't resist

dir_marillion · 24 December 2008, 12:34

It was not only the faster cpu, Atari ST was better than Amiga 500 in some other hardware points too: a. Atari had ASCI port (using it for connect SCSI hard disks and cdrom), b. it had also midi ports, c. it had a ready 640x400 resolution (not flickerred!!) - bigger than the resolution of the Macs -for dtp and midi applications-, d. it had TOS in ROM, e. the internal and external construction of the Atari was a little bit more expensive than the Amiga :-)

Atari was between Apple and Amiga philosophy, so had better software at word processing, dtp, vector design software, cads etc.. for many years. Atari become famous with Calamus and Cubase, two Great pieces of software in Computer history.

So, of course there is a respect for all Ataris in EAB, as much as for all Amigas !!

Thorham · 24 December 2008, 12:46

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Originally Posted by dir_marillion

It was not only the faster cpu, Atari ST was better than Amiga 500 in some hardware points: a. Atari had ASCI port (using it for connect SCSI hard disks and cdrom), b. it had also midi ports, c. it had a ready 640x400 resolution (not flickerred) for dtp applications, d. it had TOS in ROM (no need of a disk for the os). Sure, there is a respect for all Ataris in EAB.

a. Seems a little irrelevant seeing how there are good A500 solutions for hd/cd.
b. Almost no one needed midi, except musicians.
c. Yes, that's true. On the ST there is actually usefull software that uses this mode. The backdraw is that you need a special monitor for it that doesn't support 15khz modes. Not a problem for professionals, though.
d. Yes, it does. But TOS is a single tasking os as far as I know, and in the case of AmigaOs, the entire kernal is in rom, and a disk based os is preferable, because it's easy to update. Having everything in rom is not a definitive advantage. Also, an os is not part of the hardware, so it's irrelevant. Anyway, AmigaOs is probably much better than TOS.

Adropac2 · 24 December 2008, 12:50

I remember not noticing slower frame rates for Starglider2 on the Amiga and that was having come from playing the ST version to death.It's a slower cpu yes but too tiny an increase to make any real difference when it comes gaming.

Most 3d games with the exception of Extensor(i like the ST version better) were better on Amiga for the simple fact that they sounded awesome and played exactly the same as the ST version anyway

St does have cute sound and some nice melodies but all the important stuff for games was only on Amiga.It doesn't change the fact that if you had an ST, then you would likely be very happy with it - providing you never saw an Amiga running the same games

Thorham · 24 December 2008, 13:00

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Originally Posted by Adropac2

It's a slower cpu yes but too tiny an increase to make any real difference when it comes gaming.

Actually, the cpu is not slower on the A500, it's an 8 mhz 68000 (as far as I know) clocked at 7.14 mhz, so not all the speed is used. With cpu intensive software, you'll notice a difference, and here the ST does have a small advantage.

Adropac2 · 24 December 2008, 13:15

I guess the point should be then that it would need to be quite a bit slower for it to be relavant to those playing the same game.The difference was never big enough for me to even notice and i doubt many did either?

I suppose it's an advantage if you like knowing something is faster, unless it really is very noticable Thorham?

24 December 2008, 12:34	#56
dir_marillion Randy Rhoads Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jupiter Age: 50 Posts: 116	It was not only the faster cpu, Atari ST was better than Amiga 500 in some other hardware points too: a. Atari had ASCI port (using it for connect SCSI hard disks and cdrom), b. it had also midi ports, c. it had a ready 640x400 resolution (not flickerred!!) - bigger than the resolution of the Macs -for dtp and midi applications-, d. it had TOS in ROM, e. the internal and external construction of the Atari was a little bit more expensive than the Amiga :-) Atari was between Apple and Amiga philosophy, so had better software at word processing, dtp, vector design software, cads etc.. for many years. Atari become famous with Calamus and Cubase, two Great pieces of software in Computer history. So, of course there is a respect for all Ataris in EAB, as much as for all Amigas !! Last edited by dir_marillion; 24 December 2008 at 12:48.

04 December 2008, 00:32	#44
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	...or just speak with CodyJarrett. He runs the Amiga Games That Weren't website There's also a section on EAB speifically for this kind of stuff: project.aGTW

06 December 2008, 23:50	#46
qwak Game Developer Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: UK Posts: 78	The problem is getting stuff off the floppies and on to a PC (same with my ST stuff too). I'm sure it'll happen though.

23 December 2008, 20:41	#53
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	it has some Hurryble scrolls hehehe

24 December 2008, 12:50	#58
Adropac2 Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Age: 51 Posts: 1,056	I remember not noticing slower frame rates for Starglider2 on the Amiga and that was having come from playing the ST version to death.It's a slower cpu yes but too tiny an increase to make any real difference when it comes gaming. Most 3d games with the exception of Extensor(i like the ST version better) were better on Amiga for the simple fact that they sounded awesome and played exactly the same as the ST version anyway St does have cute sound and some nice melodies but all the important stuff for games was only on Amiga.It doesn't change the fact that if you had an ST, then you would likely be very happy with it - providing you never saw an Amiga running the same games

24 December 2008, 13:15	#60
Adropac2 Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Age: 51 Posts: 1,056	I guess the point should be then that it would need to be quite a bit slower for it to be relavant to those playing the same game.The difference was never big enough for me to even notice and i doubt many did either? I suppose it's an advantage if you like knowing something is faster, unless it really is very noticable Thorham?

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