CARE Request: Fly Harder CD32 GOLD

Heavy Stylus · 08 May 2009, 10:01

Hi there CARE team

The CD32 version of this great Thrust clone is flawed by a single oversight... In game you have to push up for thrust!

The red button is mapped to fire, and left and right rotate your ship, but this game would actually become playable on the console if thrust was instead mapped to another button.

In fact, IMO, the game would work best if thrust was mapped to the red button and fire was green or blue - that way you could rest the base of your thumb on the thrust button and tap fire with the tip of your thumb. However, red for fire and second button (blue) for thrust would still be workable (and lets be honest - anything beats 'up' on the joypad for tricky manouvering).

If someone could take a look at the executable on the ISO (I can provide the CD image later) and ammend it, I'd be happy to re-create the CD32 CD on your behalf and test it thoroughly. If a donation is required towards the project then I'll be happy to send a few ££s your way

In my opinion this workaround would be favourable over a WHDLoad fix, as the target device is a CD32 - the Amiga version is playable via keyboard anyway.

Thanks!

J

hitchhikr · 09 May 2009, 04:55

A fixed version is in the zone with red button for thrust and green one as fire button. (It should also work without a boot disk if necessary). I don't know if it works 100%.

Heavy Stylus · 09 May 2009, 10:43

Blimey! That was fast!!

Will download and check tonight

Heavy Stylus · 09 May 2009, 15:49

PERFECT! (Apart from the broken intro sequence which was missing some of the images - fixed it via a hex editor.)

hitchhikr - I'll ensure you are properly credited for your work with this one. Thanks so much!

I'll do the artwork this evening for the new jewel case, etc. and upload the CD ISO.

(All done here, just got to update the website)

MethodGit · 09 May 2009, 22:50

This is pretty neat I must say! It would also please Stuart Campbell, no doubt. (Doubt if he still has a CD³² these days though.)

Heavy Stylus · 10 May 2009, 00:18

MethodGit - I've been playing it all evening

Finally, Fly Harder CD32 is actually playable

Updating the website as I type... back in an hour or so

(Done!)

Click here for info: http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=545949&postcount=51

Or click here to find the game: http://www.rgcd.co.uk/cd32/

hitchhikr · 10 May 2009, 17:08

Looks like there's 2 bugs in the original game: they're using a standard protracker replay routine with processor waits calibrated for 68000 so the 68020 is too fast and some notes are skipped and apparently they shutdown the dma channels or interruptions (dunno) when they're loading or displaying a new picture.

Heavy Stylus · 10 May 2009, 19:59

That makes sense.

Is it fixable? Or is there some way to trick the CD32 into thinking it's a 68000? A shell command util or something?

MethodGit · 10 May 2009, 20:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavy Stylus

That makes sense.

Is it fixable? Or is there some way to trick the CD32 into thinking it's a 68000? A shell command util or something?

I don't know if KillAGA or JST would work, but you could give those a try.

Heavy Stylus · 11 May 2009, 01:22

I'll play around with JST's degrade function tomorrow and see if that works. If it doesn't then I'm not really worried - I've tested the game on real hardware and it's only a small glitch - it doesn't affect the in-game music so I'm not too concerned.

hitchhikr · 11 May 2009, 01:30

They used TFMX tunes for ingame music. I think the glitches in the title music (and possibly hiscore's) can be fixed, i'll check that tomorrow.

Heavy Stylus · 11 May 2009, 01:38

Just tried 'JST Execute' to downgrade the CD32, and it doesn't make any difference. I think the best option would be to try and fix the game if possible...

It definitely seems better on real HW than in winuae, btw.

MethodGit · 11 May 2009, 02:50

KillAGA as a last resort perhaps?

Heavy Stylus · 11 May 2009, 08:49

I'll try that tonight, but as hitchhikr has pointed out the problem is caused by incompatibilities with the 68020, and not the AGA chipset (AFAIK). The best solution would be to somehow patch the module playing routine in the intro.

hitchhikr · 11 May 2009, 23:01

Fixed version uploaded into the zone (be sure to replace FlyCD32, APlayTitle & APlayHigh)

As an extra bonus i added the ability for the game to save it's hiscore table.

kriz · 12 May 2009, 01:33

hitchhikr: wow, rocking man !

Heavy Stylus · 12 May 2009, 01:44

Wow!

Bad news is that I'll have to pixel a new intro screen now to list the new features

Thanks for this Hitchhikr - I'll have the final build ready for tomorrow

08 May 2009, 10:01	#1
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	CARE Request: Fly Harder CD32 GOLD Hi there CARE team The CD32 version of this great Thrust clone is flawed by a single oversight... In game you have to push up for thrust! The red button is mapped to fire, and left and right rotate your ship, but this game would actually become playable on the console if thrust was instead mapped to another button. In fact, IMO, the game would work best if thrust was mapped to the red button and fire was green or blue - that way you could rest the base of your thumb on the thrust button and tap fire with the tip of your thumb. However, red for fire and second button (blue) for thrust would still be workable (and lets be honest - anything beats 'up' on the joypad for tricky manouvering). If someone could take a look at the executable on the ISO (I can provide the CD image later) and ammend it, I'd be happy to re-create the CD32 CD on your behalf and test it thoroughly. If a donation is required towards the project then I'll be happy to send a few ££s your way In my opinion this workaround would be favourable over a WHDLoad fix, as the target device is a CD32 - the Amiga version is playable via keyboard anyway. Thanks! J

09 May 2009, 15:49	#4
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	PERFECT! (Apart from the broken intro sequence which was missing some of the images - fixed it via a hex editor.) hitchhikr - I'll ensure you are properly credited for your work with this one. Thanks so much! I'll do the artwork this evening for the new jewel case, etc. and upload the CD ISO. (All done here, just got to update the website) Last edited by Heavy Stylus; 09 May 2009 at 22:48.

10 May 2009, 00:18	#6
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	MethodGit - I've been playing it all evening Finally, Fly Harder CD32 is actually playable Updating the website as I type... back in an hour or so (Done!) Click here for info: http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=545949&postcount=51 Or click here to find the game: http://www.rgcd.co.uk/cd32/ Last edited by Heavy Stylus; 10 May 2009 at 01:02.

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09 May 2009, 04:55	#2
hitchhikr Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: somewhere else Posts: 510	A fixed version is in the zone with red button for thrust and green one as fire button. (It should also work without a boot disk if necessary). I don't know if it works 100%.

09 May 2009, 10:43	#3
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	Blimey! That was fast!! Will download and check tonight

09 May 2009, 22:50	#5
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	This is pretty neat I must say! It would also please Stuart Campbell, no doubt. (Doubt if he still has a CD³² these days though.)

10 May 2009, 17:08	#7
hitchhikr Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: somewhere else Posts: 510	Looks like there's 2 bugs in the original game: they're using a standard protracker replay routine with processor waits calibrated for 68000 so the 68020 is too fast and some notes are skipped and apparently they shutdown the dma channels or interruptions (dunno) when they're loading or displaying a new picture.

10 May 2009, 19:59	#8
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	That makes sense. Is it fixable? Or is there some way to trick the CD32 into thinking it's a 68000? A shell command util or something?

11 May 2009, 01:22	#10
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	I'll play around with JST's degrade function tomorrow and see if that works. If it doesn't then I'm not really worried - I've tested the game on real hardware and it's only a small glitch - it doesn't affect the in-game music so I'm not too concerned.

11 May 2009, 01:30	#11
hitchhikr Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: somewhere else Posts: 510	They used TFMX tunes for ingame music. I think the glitches in the title music (and possibly hiscore's) can be fixed, i'll check that tomorrow.

11 May 2009, 01:38	#12
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	Just tried 'JST Execute' to downgrade the CD32, and it doesn't make any difference. I think the best option would be to try and fix the game if possible... It definitely seems better on real HW than in winuae, btw.

11 May 2009, 02:50	#13
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 39 Posts: 2,731	KillAGA as a last resort perhaps?

11 May 2009, 08:49	#14
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	I'll try that tonight, but as hitchhikr has pointed out the problem is caused by incompatibilities with the 68020, and not the AGA chipset (AFAIK). The best solution would be to somehow patch the module playing routine in the intro.

11 May 2009, 23:01	#15
hitchhikr Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: somewhere else Posts: 510	Fixed version uploaded into the zone (be sure to replace FlyCD32, APlayTitle & APlayHigh) As an extra bonus i added the ability for the game to save it's hiscore table.

12 May 2009, 01:33	#16
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,185	hitchhikr: wow, rocking man !

12 May 2009, 01:44	#17
Heavy Stylus CD32 Fanboi Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Exeter, UK Age: 45 Posts: 528	Wow! Bad news is that I'll have to pixel a new intro screen now to list the new features Thanks for this Hitchhikr - I'll have the final build ready for tomorrow

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