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Old 16 August 2018, 21:51   #1
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Hobbiests, why do something you love, it upsets Amiga2000

1-- TF530 68030 40-48 MHz, 68882 40-48 MHz, 2 MB fastRAM, IDE = 150 €.
2-- 68EC020TK 68EC020 30 MHz, 11 MB RAM, IDE = 130 € with CPU relocator.
3-- 68030TK 68030 50 MHz, 4 MB RAM, IDE, IDE-CF adaptor = 175 € with CPU relocator.
4-- Savyna68k 8 MB fastRAM, 1,5 MB slowRAM, IDE = 150 €?
5-- Wicher 500 14-50 MHz 68000, 1-8 MB fastRAM, IDE = 150 €?
6-- HC508 50 MHz 68000, 8 MB fastRAM, IDE, KS flash ROM = 160 €.
7-- ACA500plus 8 MB fastRAM, 14-28 MHz 68010, IDE with 2 CF card slot (Amiga and FAT32), KS 3.1+1.3, Action replay MK III, A1200 expansion card slot, clockport, etc. = 130 €.
8-- Vampire 500 V2 lot functions, super fast, etc. = 300 €.

1-5- Little functions + slow soldering = little sold product on forums only = too high price. Open source.
6- Little functions + slow soldering = little sold product on webshop = too high price. Not open source.
7- Lot functions + fast mass production = lot sold product on webshop = low price. Not open source.
8- Lot functions + fast mass production = lot sold product on webshop = normal price. Best expansion for A500. Not open source.

1-6- This is not the fruitful trading method.
7-8- This is the fruitful trading method.

They would be able to build cheaper and better products, if the 6 developers (1-6) would join forces. Why are you striving alone?
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Old 16 August 2018, 22:02   #2
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Terrible Fire Accelerators

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1-6- This is not the fruitful trading method.
7-8- This is the fruitful trading method.

If 1-6 are so bad why don’t you go deal with 7-8? This project was not created to sell stuff, just to bring an affordable open source Amiga/Atari accelerator to the community. You listed a lot of other options, so if this one doesn’t suit you you can go get another one. This brings nothing to the discussion.
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Old 16 August 2018, 22:03   #3
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1-- TF530 68030 40-48 MHz, 68882 40-48 MHz, 2 MB fastRAM, IDE = 150 €.
2-- 68EC020TK 68EC020 30 MHz, 11 MB RAM, IDE = 130 € with CPU relocator.
3-- 68030TK 68030 50 MHz, 4 MB RAM, IDE, IDE-CF adaptor = 175 € with CPU relocator.
4-- Savyna68k 8 MB fastRAM, 1,5 MB slowRAM, IDE = 150 €?
5-- Wicher 500 14-50 MHz 68000, 1-8 MB fastRAM, IDE = 150 €?
6-- HC508 50 MHz 68000, 8 MB fastRAM, IDE, KS flash ROM = 160 €.
7-- ACA500plus 8 MB fastRAM, 14-28 MHz 68010, IDE with 2 CF card slot (Amiga and FAT32), KS 3.1+1.3, Action replay MK III, A1200 expansion card slot, clockport, etc. = 130 €.
8-- Vampire 500 V2 lot functions, super fast, etc. = 300 €.

1-5- Little functions + slow soldering = little sold product on forums only = too high price. Open source.
6- Little functions + slow soldering = little sold product on webshop = too high price. Not open source.
7- Lot functions + fast mass production = lot sold product on webshop = low price. Not open source.
8- Lot functions + fast mass production = lot sold product on webshop = normal price. Best expansion for A500. Not open source.

1-6- This is not the fruitful trading method.
7-8- This is the fruitful trading method.

They would be able to build cheaper and better products, if the 6 developers (1-6) would join forces. Why are you striving alone?
No they wouldnt. Go away. Have you not seen the TF328?

Mods please move this to the correct thread.
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Old 16 August 2018, 22:05   #4
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If 1-6 are so bad why don’t you go deal with 7-8? This project was not created to sell stuff, just to bring an affordable open source Amiga/Atari accelerator to the community. You listed a lot of other options, so if this one doesn’t suit you you can go get another one. This brings nothing to the discussion.
Did nobody understand the essence? Meaningless to plan new products alone, which are similar to each other. Waste of time. Look 1-6 products.
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Old 16 August 2018, 22:07   #5
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It's not meaningless to do something that you enjoy amiga2000.

Many of those cards listed are also not open source, you cannot download the files, have a PCB made and build it yourself.

You've been asked repeatedly, stop trying to push your opinion about this onto others who do this for _fun_ and to give something to the community.
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Old 16 August 2018, 22:08   #6
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No they wouldnt. Go away. Have you not seen the TF328?

Mods please move this to the correct thread.
Why TF328? This is a CD32 expansion, not A500.
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Did nobody understand the essence? Meaningless to plan new products alone, which are similar to each other. Waste of time. Look 1-6 products.
No. We dont. I'm not developing products. Have you not watched *ANY* of my videos?

I'm bringing open source hardware to the amiga to get the price down and to stop people reinventing the wheel every 2-3 years when a new person picks up the mantle.

In any case i will not work with other people on a project like this. I dont want to. Period. Its too much like my day job.

EDIT: And if its a waste of time so be it. Its my F*cking time to waste.
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EDIT: And if its a waste of time so be it. Its my F*cking time to waste.

And what a beautiful waste it is
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No. We dont. I'm not developing products. Have you not watched *ANY* of my videos?

I'm bringing open source hardware to the amiga to get the price down and to stop people reinventing the wheel every 2-3 years when a new person picks up the mantle.

In any case i will not work with other people on a project like this. I dont want to. Period. Its too much like my day job.

EDIT: And if its a waste of time so be it. Its my F*cking time to waste.

Irrelevant open, or not open source. Not only that important one open, and anybody may build it. TF530 why 2 MB fastRAM only? 4 RAM chips = 8 MB possible. Why not 8 MB? Or 68030TK why 4 MB only, why not 8? A2000 version 64 MB OK? Why? Why 64 MB?
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Old 16 August 2018, 22:25   #10
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Irrelevant open, or not open source. Not only that important one open, and anybody may build it. TF530 why 2 MB fastRAM only? 4 RAM chips = 8 MB possible. Why not 8 MB? Or 68030TK why 4 MB only, why not 8? A2000 version 64 MB OK? Why? Why 64 MB?
Because I didnt want to put more on it. The terriblefire card is not for you. dont worry though because nobody will ever sell you one. or any other card here based on the way you behave.

EDIT: Open source is not irrelevant. It means you can upgrade the RAM if you want and make your own version of the board... oh wait.. you need talent for that LOL
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These projects are being worked on by individuals because these individuals enjoy working on these projects. It is for the enjoyment and fulfillment of the developer, and those who follow along. It is not for the 'consumer'. It is not a 'product' in the conventional sense. This has been explained to you a dozen or so times.

I'm really starting to think this guy is just trolling, because i can't for the life of me understand how he still doesn't get it.
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Old 16 August 2018, 23:02   #12
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These projects are being worked on by individuals because these individuals enjoy working on these projects. It is for the enjoyment and fulfillment of the developer, and those who follow along. It is not for the 'consumer'. It is not a 'product' in the conventional sense. This has been explained to you a dozen or so times.

I'm really starting to think this guy is just trolling, because i can't for the life of me understand how he still doesn't get it.
Its the usual thing i find... "you arent doing what I want so i'll bully you to do it.".. I am not spending my limited spare time as someone elses slave. Period.
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Its the usual thing i find... "you arent doing what I want so i'll bully you to do it.".. I am not spending my limited spare time as someone elses slave. Period.
There ought to be a forum-wide rule that any hobbyist projects are not to be treated in this way. Demands and complaints like this should lead to bans in my opinion.
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There ought to be a forum-wide rule that any hobbyist projects are not to be treated in this way. Demands and complaints like this should lead to bans in my opinion.
I second this motion. Feature requests are one thing. But this is bullying.
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Old 16 August 2018, 23:38   #15
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I'm really starting to think this guy is just trolling, because i can't for the life of me understand how he still doesn't get it.
My first thought was, that he is something like twelve years old. So be kind for him, he is just a child. (meanwhile I call his parents)
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OK, noise moved to another thread, if you want to entertain the idea, please feel free.

I have moved it here:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=93812

It will be deleted after some months or hours depends how it goes.

Any further posts demaning x, y & z from you in this thread Amiga2000, you may earn yourself a time out AKA short ban.
All of my messages belonged to the TF530 topic. You may not delete, or move my messages. May not ban me, because I do not agree with the manner of the TF530, etc. developments.
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All of my messages belonged to the TF530 topic. You may not delete, or move my messages. May not ban me, because I do not agree with the manner of the TF530, etc. developments.
"I don't give a crap if I was speeding, officer - you may not arrest me or fine me or put me in a jail cell because I do not agree with the manner of this speed limit, rule of law, logical reasoning or just plain decency."

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I can move them, see.

Just because you are upset that no one wants to make you a board and give it to you for less than what it cost them to make, doesn't mean you can post passive and blatantly aggressive posts.

As it stands, you have this thread here to continue your one man crusade, and PlasmaB has opened one himself dealing with the comments you have made, so I warn you one more time, do not continue to post you drivel in the Terrible Fire Accelerator thread.

People will look in that thread for imformation, not some illogical rant from an angry young man that cannot buy one because he's 1) alienated people who could make him one and 2) is banned from a internet auction site that has sellers selling them.
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For the record I’ve spent close to £5000 on TF card development. I’ve got about £1000 back. When you spend that kind of money you have earned control of your project.
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I don't think you need to justify anything plasmab.

5 grand or not, it's your project
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