English Amiga Board


Go Back   English Amiga Board > Support > support.WinUAE

 
 
Thread Tools
Old 15 January 2017, 12:50   #461
vulture
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Athens , Greece
Posts: 1,162
freewheel?
vulture is offline  
Old 15 January 2017, 13:37   #462
kas1e
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: russia/moskow
Age: 41
Posts: 135
@vulture
Probably, but wasn't mouse's wheel support be part of OS4 since many years ?
kas1e is offline  
Old 15 January 2017, 17:12   #463
vulture
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Athens , Greece
Posts: 1,162
It should, but that's what I always need for classic along with cocolino driver for the wheel to work.
vulture is offline  
Old 15 January 2017, 17:15   #464
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 45
Posts: 23,887
UAE injects freewheel compatible hardware key codes for mouseup/down. It is OS's problem to use them or not.

There is no driver, this is not some USB or serial or PS/2 mouse that can transfer wheel info in hardware level.
Toni Wilen is offline  
Old 15 January 2017, 17:37   #465
rbm
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: CAT
Posts: 60
This is the "nm2mw" Raw to MOUSEWHEEL translator program compiled for ppc OS4. The executable is bigger than the 68k and works exactly the same, but is ppc.
Included a commodity icon with the OS41 look.
Attached Files
File Type: lha wheelppc.lha (13.5 KB, 149 views)
rbm is offline  
Old 15 January 2017, 19:06   #466
kas1e
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: russia/moskow
Age: 41
Posts: 135
@Toni
Quote:
There is no driver, this is not some USB or serial or PS/2 mouse that can transfer wheel info in hardware level.
Is it possible to setup winuae in a way with not classic mouse via classic mouse port, but anything like usb or something like extensions from elbox/induvidual computers and co. Maybe even already to emulate Elbox's cocolino ?

What i mean is once mouse emulation will be not classic one, but usb (for example), then os4 will handle that all well, and wheel will works without needs of FreeWhell, or that nm2mw tool from Thomas Rapp
kas1e is offline  
Old 15 January 2017, 21:16   #467
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 45
Posts: 23,887
USB happens someday.

No one still hasn't told me which USB adapter is the "best" one and/or included enough spec information. My requirements are the usual: only one adapter will be emulated. It MUST be the most supported one.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=82131
Toni Wilen is offline  
Old 15 January 2017, 21:30   #468
esc
 
Posts: n/a
Best is DENEB. it is DMA, Zorro III, and one of the most prized cards in big box amigas. It's also OS4 supported IIRC. I'd also suggest pci USB cards for the sake of simplicity but I believe they need a pci graphics card to work so that may not be an option for now.

I don't know any deneb technical details.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
 
Old 16 January 2017, 11:09   #469
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 45
Posts: 23,887
I agree that Deneb ticks all the required boxes: Z2 and Z3 (Zorro is 100% requirement = can work in any emulated Amiga config, even if real world model does not have Z2/Z3 slots), DMA capable = can be very fast in emulation.

Lack of documentation is the remaining problem. Even something basic as driver source code and memory map should be enough, no need for detailed hardware specs. Only "logical" details are needed, there is no need for hardware level details in emulation (Zorro signaling, timing, whatever).
Toni Wilen is offline  
Old 17 January 2017, 01:29   #470
Seiya
Registered User

Seiya's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Italy
Posts: 1,032
wrong section..
Seiya is offline  
Old 17 January 2017, 01:40   #471
cmsj
Registered User

cmsj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: London / UK
Posts: 165
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toni Wilen View Post
I agree that Deneb ticks all the required boxes: Z2 and Z3 (Zorro is 100% requirement = can work in any emulated Amiga config, even if real world model does not have Z2/Z3 slots), DMA capable = can be very fast in emulation.

Lack of documentation is the remaining problem. Even something basic as driver source code and memory map should be enough, no need for detailed hardware specs. Only "logical" details are needed, there is no need for hardware level details in emulation (Zorro signaling, timing, whatever).
The original author of the Deneb drivers and Poseidon, Chris Hodges, is fairly responsive on email and may be willing to help out with information.

I believe that the morphos port of Poseidon includes source, although whether the AROS Public Licence is compatible with GPL, is a question for more lawyerly people
cmsj is offline  
Old 17 January 2017, 07:37   #472
Locutus
Registered User

 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Finland
Posts: 988
The Poseidon code that is in the AROS tree does not include the driver code for the Deneb.
Locutus is online now  
Old 17 January 2017, 18:36   #473
Romanujan
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Szczecin/Poland
Posts: 343
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toni Wilen View Post
Not acceptable. I won't sign any NDAs.
Fortunately there seems to be a solution, at least partial:

http://aminet.net/package/gfx/misc/PatchCompositeTags

(I didn't test it yet)
Romanujan is offline  
Old 17 January 2017, 20:19   #474
kas1e
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: russia/moskow
Age: 41
Posts: 135
@cmsj
Quote:
The original author of the Deneb drivers and Poseidon, Chris Hodges, is fairly responsive on email and may be willing to help out with information
If you know his mail and already talk with him few times, then just forward post from Toni to him to have information Toni need.
kas1e is offline  
Old 19 January 2017, 18:17   #475
kas1e
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: russia/moskow
Age: 41
Posts: 135
Quote:
Originally Posted by Romanujan View Post
Fortunately there seems to be a solution, at least partial:

http://aminet.net/package/gfx/misc/PatchCompositeTags

(I didn't test it yet)

And that seems to work already. At least with game "MACE" and their work in progress "Emotion" video player, there is video of winuae with that composite patch: [ Show youtube player ]

@Toni
I wrote mail to Chris about Deneb docs, but not sure if mail i found (from 2014) is his current one.
kas1e is offline  
Old 20 January 2017, 01:34   #476
wawa
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: berlin/germany
Posts: 1,054
im not sure chris is the person to give further the technical data about deneb. normally it would be the hardware designer, m . boehmer. i have not heard ftom him since as while, but it seems that there was some disagreement between and chris later on. which may complicate the matters again. as result i think jens from icomp finally bought or licensed the stack to provide software support for his usb solution.

this all as far my uncertain recollection reaches.

and aros sources have nothing to do with it. rather the other way around. id love to see deneb hardware drivers in aros sources, but they were not part of the deal, especially aros68k wasnt any far by then.

so, in short, go try to reach michael.
wawa is offline  
Old 20 January 2017, 15:28   #477
Leo42
Senior Member
Leo42's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Paris
Posts: 126
Seeing how everything is all about the money and that they all want to protect what they do I don't see why the Deneb author would give you any kind of documentation.

Not that I agree with that, but that's the sad state of the Amiga "market".
Leo42 is offline  
Old 20 January 2017, 16:47   #478
Toni Wilen
WinUAE developer
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland
Age: 45
Posts: 23,887
I contacted M.Boehmer about year ago and he said he can give hardware specs but then I guess I forgot about it (I had too much other things to do) and now he seems to have disappeared.
Toni Wilen is offline  
Old 20 January 2017, 18:10   #479
DarrenHD
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: London / Canada
Posts: 554
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toni Wilen View Post
I contacted M.Boehmer about year ago and he said he can give hardware specs but then I guess I forgot about it (I had too much other things to do) and now he seems to have disappeared.
He was active as of a few days ago on http://www.a1k.org in the Forums, selling some stuff. If you have an account on that site you could send him a PM.
DarrenHD is offline  
Old 26 January 2017, 11:03   #480
wawa
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: berlin/germany
Posts: 1,054
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrenHD View Post
He was active as of a few days ago on http://www.a1k.org in the Forums, selling some stuff. If you have an account on that site you could send him a PM.
i have an account so i could intermedate, however i may forget to check pms as well. no mention, i dont know what id need to ask of him, precisely.
wawa is offline  
 


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FS-UAE 1.3 Development Series FrodeSolheim support.FS-UAE 376 28 October 2012 17:42
FS-UAE 1.1 Development Series FrodeSolheim support.FS-UAE 214 06 May 2012 13:53
OS4 compatible? oRBIT Coders. General 1 12 May 2010 14:50
E-UAE Development pjhutch support.OtherUAE 1 06 October 2008 02:26
Status of E-UAE pjhutch support.OtherUAE 3 29 June 2008 23:03

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 20:33.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Page generated in 0.10966 seconds with 14 queries