Fresh 4000

[Dr. Dude]

Ok i got my first load of Amigakit

I wil post pics later, i first have a problem already

I installed the 3.1 roms and the indivision aga 4000 card

setup:
DF0
DF1
16 extra mem
3.1 Rom
indivision aga 4000
NO battery < board has marks, but tracks seem intact, have cleaned it whit acohol

Once i powerup i see the indivision giving a quick screen
After power up it takes about 20secs until it gives the "insert disk" screen

Ok il feed him Workbench 3.1, it loads up.... OI! no icons, no right click
workbench 3.0 the same. It does not load games at all

Jumper setting Something broken

[prowler]

Originally Posted by Dr. Dude

i first have a problem already

I installed the 3.1 roms and the indivision aga 4000 card

Once i powerup i see the indivision giving a quick screen
After power up it takes about 20secs until it gives the "insert disk" screen

Ok il feed him Workbench 3.1, it loads up.... OI! no icons, no right click
workbench 3.0 the same. It does not load games at all

Jumper setting Something broken

Kickstart 3.1 ROM chips for the Amiga 4000.

This pack contains 2x ROM chips: U175 & U176. It is supplied complete with Amiga A4000 printed installation instructions.

You did follow the installation instructions to the letter? It's not simply a matter of unplugging the 3.0 ROMs and plugging in the 3.1 ROMs, you know.

@prowler: I'm sure the A4000 wouldn't get to the 'Insert Disk' screen if the ROMs were installed incorrectly.

I'm wondering if something else wasn't seated correctly or was disturbed when Dr. Dude performed the upgrades.

@Dr. Dude: When you say you get no icons on the screen and can't right click... Do you see the white menu bar at the top? If so, what does it say? Can you confirm there is definitely no 'RAM Disk' icon in the top left hand corner of the screen after booting the Workbench Disk?

These ROMs are the A4000T ones right (version 40.70)? Are the 3.1 workbench disks for the A4000T? It may be the case of not having the workbench.library on the disk that's causing the workbench not to load.

The 20 second delay before booting from floppy disk is probably the IDE port delay. I'm guessing you haven't got a HDD connected?

[prowler]

Originally Posted by colmiga

@prowler: I'm sure the A4000 wouldn't get to the 'Insert Disk' screen if the ROMS were installed incorrectly.

Dr. Dude asked about jumper setting. I was thinking that there may have been some advice regarding this in the A4000 ROM chips installation instructions which he overlooked. This would not necessarily prevent the machine booting as far as displaying the 'Insert Disk' screen.

[alexh]

I'd scrap getting a Subway and a FastATA MK V and just get a Deneb.

You should be able to use an ultra cheap USB2.0->SATA adapter to get FastATA MK V type speeds.

Originally Posted by prowler

Dr. Dude asked about jumper setting. I was thinking that there may have been some advice regarding this in the A4000 ROM chips installation instructions which he overlooked. This would not necessarily prevent the machine booting as far as displaying the 'Insert Disk' screen.

There are 2 settings for 'ROM Speed' on the A4000 board near the ROM sockets. For these ROMs it's best to leave it on the 160ns setting.

[Dr. Dude]

Rom problem, it has to be, i placed back the old roms. It loads disks, loads up workbench good, all games.
When i reconect the HD it fully loads again

Orginal roms busted? Or is it posible it are really wrong roms?
Advice? Amigakit?

As i want to run OS3.5 or even 3.9. The 3.1 roms are needed

Some shots "warning 3.5MB in size each" I wil setup a photobook thingy later on
Rev B
Old roms
New roms
Battery DMG
After clean battery

[prowler]

Hey Dr. Dude,

Did you get the correct ROMs?

Your order was originally for an A4000T set. Did you get it changed successfully to an A4000D set?

[Dr. Dude]

Originally Posted by amigakit email

The 4000T chips will work OK in the A4000D if you are running AmigaOS 3.1 (with Workbench library on disk), OS 3.5 or OS 3.9 and running FastATA as you have ordered. Do you have OS 3.1, 3.5 or 3.9

i asked it over amigakit suport

[prowler]

Strictly speaking, you either need the A4000D ROMs or you need the Workbench library (wb.lib) on your boot drive, because the A4000T ROMs don't have it in ROM.

As things are, with the A4000T ROMs in your machine, you need an A4000T Workbench 3.1 disk to get a copy of the Workbench library.

[Dr. Dude]

so that explanes the 20 sec delay?
wrong rom / missing lib?

options
other rom or lib
if not other rom... most bootable disks wil fail

[prowler]

Originally Posted by Dr. Dude

so that explanes the 20 sec delay?
wrong rom / missing lib?

options
other rom or lib
if not other rom... most bootable disks wil fail

Yes, if they are Workbench disks and don't contain a copy of the Workbench library. Non-DOS bootable disks will boot normally.

You really need to get those ROMs changed for the correct ones.

[Dr. Dude]

i find no other in amigakit
how about these? http://www.vesalia.de/e_kickstart[153].htm

[prowler]

Originally Posted by Dr. Dude

i find no other in amigakit
how about these? http://www.vesalia.de/e_kickstart[153].htm

Yes, they are the correct ones!

Are you sure that AmigaKit don't have them listed?

Edit: Yes, you are right!

[amigakit.com]

v40.70 ROMs need the Workbench library on disk otherwise you will get a blank Workbench window. This is why we originally told you you needed the Workbench 3.5 or 3.9 or Workbench 3.1 which has Workbench.library in libs: drawer.

If you are installing Workbench 3.5 - these official Amiga ROMs will be OK.

All our A4000 Desktops in the office are running fine with 40.70 ROMs.

[prowler]

Originally Posted by amigakit.com

v40.70 ROMs need the Workbench library on disk otherwise you will get a blank Workbench window. This is why we originally told you you needed the Workbench 3.5 or 3.9 or Workbench 3.1 which has Workbench.library in libs: drawer.

If you are installing Workbench 3.5 - these official Amiga ROMs will be OK.

All our A4000 Desktops in the office are running fine with 40.70 ROMs.

It is only the Workbench 3.1 version for A4000T machines which includes the Workbench library because the A4000T 3.1 ROMs don't have it, or am I mistaken?

I am interested in this, because I have an A4000/040 desktop machine with 3.0 ROMs myself, which I may wish to upgrade.

[amigakit.com]

Yes - Workbench 3.1 shipped with A4000T had Workbench library on disk (this is last 3.1 release just before Commodore closed)

The CD32 Workbench 3.1 release may also have a separate Workbench library (not sure, maybe someone can confirm)

More recently Workbench 3.5 and 3.9 moved Workbench library to disk as well.

[prowler]

Thanks for the reply.

Will you be stocking the A4000 desktop ROMs in future? And do the 3.1 ROM fitting instructions apply equally to both the A4000 desktop and tower systems?

Thanks.

[amigakit.com]

We have hundreds of original new Amiga manufactured mask 3.1 ROMs here (40.70) so have no plans on getting 40.68 ROMs in stock.

Fitting instructions are consistent.

[alexh]

Originally Posted by amigakit.com

Yes - Workbench 3.1 shipped with A4000T had Workbench library on disk (this is last 3.1 release just before Commodore closed)

I'm sure I read somewhere that Commodore had closed before the launch of WB3.1 and it was rolled out by VillageTronic....

http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_31.html