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Old 23 January 2020, 10:18   #61
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Rob Northen. Rob Northern was a member of Classic
ahahah how funny XD
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Old 23 January 2020, 16:49   #62
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Rob Northen. Rob Northern was a member of Classic
That jogged my memory, you mentioned it in this POST

So is it Northen or Northern
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Old 23 January 2020, 19:12   #63
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Plus the multitude of early Rob Northern protections that have no 'official' name!
Out of curiosity, can you name some of the games you're talking about here and briefly describe the protection? More than a few of the earlier ones that pre-dated Copylock used RNC Propack IIRC (and the later ones, of course, were PDOS).

In any case, perhaps Phill might be in the best position to name the earlier Rob Northen protection schemes that you're alluding to if they don't have any proper names.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=76197

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So is it Northen or Northern
Ian (Codetapper) will have your head if you keep calling the chap of RNC fame Rob Northern!
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Old 23 January 2020, 22:14   #64
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Out of curiosity, can you name some of the games you're talking about here and briefly describe the protection? More than a few of the earlier ones that pre-dated Copylock used RNC Propack IIRC (and the later ones, of course, were PDOS).

In any case, perhaps Phill might be in the best position to name the earlier Rob Northen protection schemes that you're alluding to if they don't have any proper names.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=76197

Ian (Codetapper) will have your head if you keep calling the chap of RNC fame Rob Northern!
So it's not Robb Northern then

The ones I have that have been checked by Galahad/dlfrsilver are: Hotshot, Manhattan Dealers & The Three Stooges, seems to use some form of fllakey/weak sectors, discussion HERE. Found a couple more after that discussion: Football Manager II and Buggy Boy.

Hotshot & Manhattan Dealers use a different protection than the others! The others use the same protection that Barbarian (Palace) uses, which kaffer supported in Disk-Utilities, so luckily I was able to make working IPF's of Buggy Boy, 3 Stooges and FM2!!
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Old 23 January 2020, 23:06   #65
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So it's not Robb Northern then

The ones I have that have been checked by Galahad/dlfrsilver are: Hotshot, Manhattan Dealers & The Three Stooges, seems to use some form of fllakey/weak sectors, discussion HERE. Found a couple more after that discussion: Football Manager II and Buggy Boy.

Hotshot & Manhattan Dealers use a different protection than the others! The others use the same protection that Barbarian (Palace) uses, which kaffer supported in Disk-Utilities, so luckily I was able to make working IPF's of Buggy Boy, 3 Stooges and FM2!!
From memory, in one of those batch was the string "Protect Process", which i'm assuming was originally box text for a window that was disabled, so that ended up being the name we adopted for those.

So Barbarian (Palace), Buggy Boy, 3 Stooges and FM2 used copy protection called= Rob Northen Protect Process

We know it was an early Rob Northen protection because on one of the games it tries to load of a file called "RNC" (Rob Northen Computing), and that filename is unlikely to refer to anything else considering it was directly protection related.
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Old 24 January 2020, 00:14   #66
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Not a very 'catchy' name is it, but it's all we have I guess!

Going back to Hotshot and Manhattan Dealers, here's the protection tracks in HxC, Hotshot top & Manhattan Dealers bottom:



Just wondering if that means anything regards the 12 sector / 11 sector thing Denis was explaining regards those two protections?
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ahahah how funny XD
Yes, I still find it amusing after all these years. I'd love to know if Rob Northen knew about it, and if so, whether he saw the funny side of it.

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Not a very 'catchy' name is it, but it's all we have I guess!

Going back to Hotshot and Manhattan Dealers, here's the protection tracks in HxC, Hotshot top & Manhattan Dealers bottom:



Just wondering if that means anything regards the 12 sector / 11 sector thing Denis was explaining regards those two protections?
On Manhattan Dealers, track 0.1 is a long track. The protection routine search for the sync $A145. the RN1 protection matches with it.

Otherwise, if i do a check simply, it says AmigaDOS, because all 11 sectors are empty. but the protection is hidden.
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Thanks Denis

Found some more ID's of formats:

afterburner_sega is Hackmat format: Hackmat: By Jeff Spangenberg, found on the US versions of After Burner and Thunder Blade.
forgotten_worlds appears to be an Arc Developments variant: Arc, Arc Developments: found on Forgotten Worlds.
fun_factory appears to be Synergy format: Synergy: Crystal Kingdom Dizzy, Bonanza Bros
phantom_fighter is Emerald Software format: Emerald Software: on Running Man and Vigilante.
pinball_dreams is TSL format: TSL: Digital Illusions games like Pinball Dreams.
sales_curve is RPW format: Renamed SWIV to RPW variant as it really is and used by St Dragon as well. RPW, Sales Curve: Ninja Warriors
speedball is THBB format: THBB, The Bitmap Brothers: On various versions of Speedball
summer_games is Monkey DOS format: Monkey DOS: On Games - Summer Edition
super_stardust is Bloodhouse format: BS, Bloodhouse: On Super Stardust
supremacy_a / supremacy_b is Probe format: Probe: on Supremacy and various Sega conversions
x-out is Rainbow Arts format: Rainbow Arts: Another version on X-Out.

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CHW is mentioned again in the wip but with this description:
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CHW: Loads of A-Lock variants, found on games GemX, Apidya, Turrican 3 (including highscore saves), Dugger, Rolling Ronny, Eliminator and many others. These are mostly by Germany oriented publishers, like Rainbow Arts, Starbyte, Magic Bytes, Linel, etc
Is A-Lock a variant of the CHW format or an actual format in itself? Disk-Utilities supports Dugger and Turrican 3, so are they CHW format?

Note 2: On some Gremlin protected games with the Protoscan longtrack there is also another long track dubbed 'tiertex_longtrack' in Disk-Utilities, it's on track 79.0, games like: Alien Storm, Fogotten Worlds, Strider II, The Games: Summer Edition plus others have this, so is it actually a 'tiertex' protection track or something else?

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CHW = Christian Weber from SCA

Already mentioned in page 1 of this very thread!
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