Genetic Species: no weapon displayed in RTG mode?

hexaae · 09 January 2021, 23:30

Can't remember if this has been already discussed here, but in brief I noticed GS weapon in RTG 24 bit mode (Picasso 96 on WinUAE) does not display current weapon unfortunately, except that in a brief moment when you pause the game, which is strange... At first I thought it might have been a non-AGA misfeature but then I noticed weapon does appear on pause so it seems a bug, not a technical limitation in 24 bit mode.

1. During play:

and...
2. When you press Pause, for a brief moment before the menu fades in you can actually see the weapon:

In game option to enable weapon on screen of course is ON.
AGA mode will always show current weapon as expected. Game is up-to-date to latest patch.

Aardvark · 10 January 2021, 01:02

No idea why it doesn't display properly on your setup. If you want, I'll privately share WinUAE install where it's showing in RTG.

hexaae · 10 January 2021, 03:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aardvark

No idea why it doesn't display properly on your setup. If you want, I'll privately share WinUAE install where it's showing in RTG.

I'm afraid you can see weapons just because you run the game in 320x256x8bit in RTG mode.
If you run first the "True" script to generate 24 bit assets, and then select 24bit mode (on launch of "Engine" keep pressed SHIFT key for screen mode requester) you'll notice, besides a better extended palette, the missing weapon while playing and showing up only for a brief moment on fading menu (press ESC)

Seems an original game bug unfortunately in 24bit mode.

Cego · 12 January 2021, 00:08

is it possible to run the game in 640x480? I am using RTG, but in the game itself it'll only go up to 320x240

Mad-Matt · 12 January 2021, 01:20

I think the game had some oddities. Like you need CybergraphX for 640x480, but 24bit requires Picasso96.

However it is best to play in P96 24bit even with the missing weapon with a double scanned 320x256 screenmode. 640x480 option just makes the game work harder/slower as it upscales and filters the game to double res. (does not render the game at 640x)

hexaae · 13 August 2021, 14:11

If someone would release an unofficial patch at least... At this point I think is just a small bug assuming Weapon on screen: ON/OFF = always OFF ( =0, never switching to 1 maybe ?) in 24bit RTG mode.
Possibly is very easy to fix using WinUAE and disassembling/monitoring code execution, but I'm not a coder...

AMIGASYSTEM · 13 August 2021, 14:42

Problems in RTG have been discussed in the past I don't remember where, try looking in this thread:

https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=86831

An old video of mine showing the operation of the weapon on the RTG screen:

[ Show youtube player ]

hexaae · 13 August 2021, 16:23

No it doesn't work in 24bit RTG. Weapons in-game will be displayed only in 8bit (RTG) or AGA modes. At least not in Picasso96 24bit RTG mode (didn't test CGX).
The strange thing is that weapons do appear in 24bit RTG P96 when in pause for a brief moment (pressing ESC)...

AMIGASYSTEM · 13 August 2021, 23:13

Yes we have already discussed this too, if I remember correctly only the solution for the 24Bit working was the "PiP" Window mode, this is the link of the discussion:

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=97148

09 January 2021, 23:30	#1
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	Genetic Species: no weapon displayed in RTG mode? Can't remember if this has been already discussed here, but in brief I noticed GS weapon in RTG 24 bit mode (Picasso 96 on WinUAE) does not display current weapon unfortunately, except that in a brief moment when you pause the game, which is strange... At first I thought it might have been a non-AGA misfeature but then I noticed weapon does appear on pause so it seems a bug, not a technical limitation in 24 bit mode. 1. During play: and... 2. When you press Pause, for a brief moment before the menu fades in you can actually see the weapon: In game option to enable weapon on screen of course is ON. AGA mode will always show current weapon as expected. Game is up-to-date to latest patch. Last edited by hexaae; 13 August 2021 at 16:36.

12 January 2021, 01:20	#5
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	I think the game had some oddities. Like you need CybergraphX for 640x480, but 24bit requires Picasso96. However it is best to play in P96 24bit even with the missing weapon with a double scanned 320x256 screenmode. 640x480 option just makes the game work harder/slower as it upscales and filters the game to double res. (does not render the game at 640x) Last edited by Mad-Matt; 12 January 2021 at 11:45.

13 August 2021, 16:23	#8
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	No it doesn't work in 24bit RTG. Weapons in-game will be displayed only in 8bit (RTG) or AGA modes. At least not in Picasso96 24bit RTG mode (didn't test CGX). The strange thing is that weapons do appear in 24bit RTG P96 when in pause for a brief moment (pressing ESC)... Last edited by hexaae; 14 August 2021 at 01:12.

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10 January 2021, 01:02	#2
Aardvark Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Finland Posts: 634	No idea why it doesn't display properly on your setup. If you want, I'll privately share WinUAE install where it's showing in RTG.

12 January 2021, 00:08	#4
Cego Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Germany Posts: 163	is it possible to run the game in 640x480? I am using RTG, but in the game itself it'll only go up to 320x240

13 August 2021, 14:11	#6
hexaae Bug hunter Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Italy Age: 48 Posts: 2,161	If someone would release an unofficial patch at least... At this point I think is just a small bug assuming Weapon on screen: ON/OFF = always OFF ( =0, never switching to 1 maybe ?) in 24bit RTG mode. Possibly is very easy to fix using WinUAE and disassembling/monitoring code execution, but I'm not a coder...

13 August 2021, 14:42	#7
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	Problems in RTG have been discussed in the past I don't remember where, try looking in this thread: https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=86831 An old video of mine showing the operation of the weapon on the RTG screen: [ Show youtube player ]

13 August 2021, 23:13	#9
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	Yes we have already discussed this too, if I remember correctly only the solution for the 24Bit working was the "PiP" Window mode, this is the link of the discussion: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=97148

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