A New A4000 Accelerator-Wishful Thinking

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by nexus

pci doesnt need to hang off it could be relocated and attached using cable

Breaches the PCI specs... expensive cables and/or noisey. but knock yourself out.

[nexus]

why are you here again?
this is for people who want to keep it alive and have fun at the same time
if you want yours that way then fine but move out the way cause others want more

and it doesnt breach anything i use risers all the time what else you got bad to say?

[plasmab]

I forget the exact specification (would have to look it up) but there is a max length distance between the chip and the socket allowed / recommended. You may get away with it. But if you sell 1000 units you might have trouble in some cases and maybe (probably) fail CE marking due to EM emissions.

I am trying to explain that what you are "wishing for" is a modern/new computer which you are bolting onto an Amiga so it can emulate a few older operations. I think this is insane. Its way beyond expansion.

I'm here to get the most out of classic Amiga hardware. But actually I think i'm going to go away now.

[plasmab]

Also please! If you are going to build a new machine like this don’t do it as an accelerator that needs old hardware to work. You just make the barrier to entry the old hardware.

[Mr.Flibble]

I’d just be happy with a basic card with an 040 socket, local ram (SDRAM, or DDR via SODIMM if someone has the patience to interface it?), a good IDE controller (possibly SATA via a bridge controller), and maybe USB.

PCI on the A4000 can be done via other means if you really want it, and it’d keep things relatively simple and cheap.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by Mr.Flibble

I’d just be happy with a basic card with an 040 socket, local ram (SDRAM, or DDR via SODIMM if someone has the patience to interface it?), a good IDE controller (possibly SATA via a bridge controller), and maybe USB.

PCI on the A4000 can be done via other means if you really want it, and it’d keep things relatively simple and cheap.

USB makes total sense. Cheap networking, storage, keyboards, mice. Video cards even!

SDRAM is something I’m working on. Because it’s a cheap way to get a lot of RAM.

Faster storage via usb 3.0 would make more sense.

PCI... an expensive painful thing to implement. And doesn’t add much that USB 3.0 doesn’t.

I’ve always said the reason Amiga hasn’t has got anything like this is because the wish list is too long and too ambitious. And people like me get shot down for taking baby steps.. why didn’t you add X or Y. Get called stupid for not doing PCI or whatever. Honestly sick of it.

[Hewitson]

Originally Posted by plasmab

Ultimately the reason we dont have these accelerators is because the risk is too high for such a small market. Although the demand for these accelerators is high and the supply is low the risk to create new ones based on the old 060 accelerators is too high.

Its why I plan to do an 040 accelerator not an 060 one.

If you do, please offer the option to purchase one with no CPU and put an 060 on it.

[nexus]

the pci is easy i already linked a cheap bridge for it Qspan II

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by nexus

the pci is easy i already linked a cheap bridge for it Qspan II

You build and debug it then. Its way more complex than that. Grrrr.

Do you know about trace length matching etc? EMC emissions. If its so easy you build it.

Its also ancient technology that hardly anyone makes card for anymore.

[plasmab]

Do you also know that many PCI cards have an x86 bios rom? So you also have to emulate x86 and execute these commands in a way that makes sense in the emulated environment. Sure its not mad difficult but why do this? Its insane when USB 3 is faster, gives you more features, is current, is cheaper to implement.

[plasmab]

Its even more insane when there is an amiga compatible operating system that runs on x86 with PCI, PCI express, USB, SATA etc. Everything except the 68k processor which can be emulated seamlessly and way faster.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by nexus

guy just stop
its not that complex today if you dont want do this then make your own that suits you
this thread is about what we want and need

And i'm trying to tell you you dont need PCI. but you can want it.

[plasmab]

*facepalm*

PPC isnt Anything to do with Amiga.

[plasmab]

PPC was an experiment that went horribly wrong with AmigaOS 4.

It is best erased from history.

But hey. You keep adding to that wishlist.. im sure it will come true if you add more things to it .

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by nexus

works fine for me in os3.x PPC was way before that os you speak of

OS 3.1 boots natively 100% on PPC?

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by nexus

dont remember saying it did
and what does that matter we use it more as a co pro

Ok. you do what you want. i'll "make way" as you put it for you to build these cards. Because i'm so stupid and no nothing about Amiga hardware design, software engineering, hardware engineering.... i'll even buy your card when you make it.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by nexus

community project son
and so what many have those under there belts am i supposed to be impressed?

Not at all. All my stuff has been community until now.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by nexus

yeah you flip 180 degrees i been watching you and your progress

Yup. Because the amiga community is full of people like you.

[plasmab]

Originally Posted by nexus

people who keep amiga alive and running well?
i like those people

Thats not who you are.

[plasmab]

You are indeed full of nonsense.