Serial Troubles. - Page 2

ppill · 25 August 2017, 22:10

On the two Amigas setup the CD (carrier detect) signal is off.

Toni Wilen · 25 August 2017, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppill

On the two Amigas setup the CD (carrier detect) signal is off.

I don't think PC serial port can drive CD signal (input only). Amiga uses CIAs which can be configured in either direction.

It also depends on null modem cable wiring, I think most of them connect DTR to CD or something similar.

ppill · 25 August 2017, 22:20

DTR = 1 appears in the log. The last part of the log are the commands i'm sending over and the amiga responds (disk drive activity).

Toni Wilen · 26 August 2017, 18:07

Does win32 Putty in serial port mode also work? (Amiga side DSR gets activated)

I used putty in testing and I couldn't find anything special in sources.

ppill · 26 August 2017, 19:25

Putty works fine (aside from some character translation hickups). I use Tera Term since it supports Zmodem out of the gate and can be made more amiga shell friendly.

Toni Wilen · 26 August 2017, 20:01

It is really fixed now.

Changing baudrate reset DTR state. It is possible GetCommState() returned current state in some older Windows version (not the default) or previously baud rate was not changed.

ppill · 26 August 2017, 20:23

Still not working here

Toni Wilen · 26 August 2017, 20:53

Did you confirm file was updated? (not cached or something)

ppill · 26 August 2017, 21:11

About shows Public Beta 2 2017.08.26, exe's size 14 623 744. Same results.

Toni Wilen · 26 August 2017, 21:23

Date and size don't help much, size is aligned to page size (or something larger). Time is more important.

Also attach your config because this makes no sense anymore..

ppill · 26 August 2017, 21:28

There we go. Time was 20:53.

Toni Wilen · 26 August 2017, 21:50

And another attempt, it really looks like there is device or windows version specific differences..

Include also log.

ppill · 26 August 2017, 22:01

Time 21:47.

The only difference is that I don't get a "Can't find DSR" or something like that from Term when I start it and the A600 hasn't loaded the AUX: yet. The same message appeared on the two real Amigas setup.

Toni Wilen · 27 August 2017, 08:31

Unfortunately it looks like your adapter has issues. "Normal" terminal programs set initial DTR and RTS/CTS mode at startup, when opening serial port handle and this works fine.

WinUAE initializes both in inactive state, then it follows Amiga CIA chip writes, and any state change after init seems to be ignored in your system (EscapeCommFunction(handle, onoff ? SETDTR: CLRDTR);). Log shows call return no error but it still does nothing.

modrobert · 27 August 2017, 08:52

ppill,

Perhaps your old "working" XP install used a vendor specific driver for the prolific USB device, but your current Windows installed a native driver?

These USB to serial devices are nothing but trouble in my experience, partly the reason why I use my A1200 for everything serial related in the lab.

ppill · 27 August 2017, 10:06

Figured it had something to do with the drivers (they're vendor specific). Oh well a new adapter is on its way, based on a different chip and I'll let you know how that works.

Thanks Toni for taking the time to check this. At least now it should work with better adapters

A cool feature might be adding a winser.device in WinUAE that would talk to the serial port directly (passing all the SER CIA stuff). Or maybe emulating some of the clockport, zorro serial adapters that came out (SilverSurfer etc.).

Toni Wilen · 27 August 2017, 10:32

uaeserial.device? Each unit number is mapped to PC serial port (COM3 = unit 3 etc)

Note that you it never set DTR when opened (vs what serial.device does), this is fixed in yesterday's update. For some odd reason serial.device API does not have any way to manually set/reset DTR (or other control lines).

ppill · 27 August 2017, 11:10

What the options should be when ueaserial.device is ticked?

When I choose my serial port from the pull down menu. Tick rts/cts and uaeserial.device, Term fails to open it (unit 1 since it's COM1 on the PC).

With no serial chosen and just uaeserial.device ticked WinUAE crashes when Term tries to open it.

Toni Wilen · 27 August 2017, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by ppill

What the options should be when ueaserial.device is ticked?

They are completely separate (uaeserial.device does not affect other options) except it is not possible to open same PC port twice.

Quote:

With no serial chosen and just uaeserial.device ticked WinUAE crashes when Term tries to open it.

Fixed. Looks like this got broken few releases ago..

ppill · 27 August 2017, 13:20

IT WORKS!

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25 August 2017, 22:10	#21
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	On the two Amigas setup the CD (carrier detect) signal is off.

26 August 2017, 18:07	#24
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Does win32 Putty in serial port mode also work? (Amiga side DSR gets activated) I used putty in testing and I couldn't find anything special in sources.

26 August 2017, 19:25	#25
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	Putty works fine (aside from some character translation hickups). I use Tera Term since it supports Zmodem out of the gate and can be made more amiga shell friendly.

26 August 2017, 20:01	#26
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	It is really fixed now. Changing baudrate reset DTR state. It is possible GetCommState() returned current state in some older Windows version (not the default) or previously baud rate was not changed.

26 August 2017, 20:23	#27
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	Still not working here

26 August 2017, 20:53	#28
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Did you confirm file was updated? (not cached or something)

26 August 2017, 21:11	#29
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	About shows Public Beta 2 2017.08.26, exe's size 14 623 744. Same results.

26 August 2017, 21:23	#30
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Date and size don't help much, size is aligned to page size (or something larger). Time is more important. Also attach your config because this makes no sense anymore..

26 August 2017, 21:50	#32
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	And another attempt, it really looks like there is device or windows version specific differences.. Include also log.

27 August 2017, 08:31	#34
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Unfortunately it looks like your adapter has issues. "Normal" terminal programs set initial DTR and RTS/CTS mode at startup, when opening serial port handle and this works fine. WinUAE initializes both in inactive state, then it follows Amiga CIA chip writes, and any state change after init seems to be ignored in your system (EscapeCommFunction(handle, onoff ? SETDTR: CLRDTR);). Log shows call return no error but it still does nothing.

27 August 2017, 08:52	#35
modrobert old bearded fool Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Bangkok Age: 56 Posts: 775	ppill, Perhaps your old "working" XP install used a vendor specific driver for the prolific USB device, but your current Windows installed a native driver? These USB to serial devices are nothing but trouble in my experience, partly the reason why I use my A1200 for everything serial related in the lab.

27 August 2017, 10:06	#36
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	Figured it had something to do with the drivers (they're vendor specific). Oh well a new adapter is on its way, based on a different chip and I'll let you know how that works. Thanks Toni for taking the time to check this. At least now it should work with better adapters A cool feature might be adding a winser.device in WinUAE that would talk to the serial port directly (passing all the SER CIA stuff). Or maybe emulating some of the clockport, zorro serial adapters that came out (SilverSurfer etc.).

27 August 2017, 10:32	#37
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	uaeserial.device? Each unit number is mapped to PC serial port (COM3 = unit 3 etc) Note that you it never set DTR when opened (vs what serial.device does), this is fixed in yesterday's update. For some odd reason serial.device API does not have any way to manually set/reset DTR (or other control lines).

27 August 2017, 11:10	#38
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	What the options should be when ueaserial.device is ticked? When I choose my serial port from the pull down menu. Tick rts/cts and uaeserial.device, Term fails to open it (unit 1 since it's COM1 on the PC). With no serial chosen and just uaeserial.device ticked WinUAE crashes when Term tries to open it.

27 August 2017, 13:20	#40
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	IT WORKS!

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