Games where the Atari ST version was.....

[idrougge]

Originally Posted by lilwshu

Note the massive vertical borders on the left and right hand size of the ST image that are largely absent on the Amiga and likely contribute to the issue. If you adjust the screen so both images fill it, they will probably look the same.

Note that TV sets can't be adjusted in that way, and that the standard Atari SC1224 had even bigger borders.

[roondar]

Originally Posted by idrougge

Note that TV sets can't be adjusted in that way, and that the standard Atari SC1224 had even bigger borders.

True, I can still remember my dad's ST having a pretty big border. But then, at that time I had a C64 so I just kind of thought having big borders was normal.

[nobody]

Originally Posted by lilwshu

If you adjust the screen so both images fill it, they will probably look the same.

I remember i used to adjust my 1084S when playing some ST ports so that they would look correct (namely Batman-Wonderboy In Monsterland, they just looked wrong compared to ST screenshots in magazines), then looking for a full screen game on my collection so that i could calibrate it back to normal

[kremiso]

now, i wonder why an Atari ST game should have a 'Multi Amiga' option?

Hover Sprint

[Galahad/FLT]

Originally Posted by kremiso

now, i wonder why an Atari ST game should have a 'Multi Amiga' option?

Hover Sprint

Serial link between ST and Amiga

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Serial link between ST and Amiga

i must be honest, due the game quality, i was thinking at another hurried port

i didn't know at all of that link feature, to play the same game on both machines? it was used in other games too?
and another noob question, the game on ST would run little faster due the clock speed differences?

too much questions, but now i'm really curious...

EDIT nevermind, the tube answer me :
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interesting !

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by kremiso

interesting !

Interesting, indeed.

I did note with sadness the guy explaining that linking competing consoles like XBox and Playstation is a no-no, or so say the corporations behind them. Of course, Sony and Microsoft would like you to game on their console only, and would balk at what the ST and Amiga did in the past, but it's a shame that this has happened to modern gaming, it's all so strictly regulated now, rather than the free-for-all it was back then.

[Valken]

I think it is not "regulation" but pure GREED as each corporation tries to dominate the market by making it hard as possible to cooperate outside their own little kingdoms. There are no state or technical restrictions prohibiting it.

We are lucky that Sony allows some games to connect to PC/Mac and Switch. Seems Xbox is on their own or only recently allowed some connection to Windows 10 only systems.

It is this reason why I come back to retro and open source game engines where the developers control the "game" and bypasses system restrictions.

We were all lucky to have grown up with interoperability between systems back then.

[Keops/Equinox]

Originally Posted by kremiso

thank you
i can't explain better, i don't know if it is something related to ST-E enhancement or just the emulator display output, but i am testing various ST games atm, and until now happened just with this one (apart some crack intros)

for certainly, i can say also that ok the audio is worse, but the game runs little better than Amiga, smoother (Steem vs WinUAE)

It's not specific to STE, it's a trick coming from the demoscene. You can remove the lower border by switching to 60Hz for a short moment at the last line of the normal screen. No games made use of that because it's risky, it can be unstable and not work on some ST's.

The same kind of trick is used to open the top, left and right borders, but for those you need perfectly constant CPU usage since operations opening the borders need to happen at exactly the right moment, many times per line.

It's a nightmare to handle for a game, so the trick was basically never used. For the record, you can open the top and lower borders with a timer, which does not require constant time instructions integrated inside your fullscreen/overscan code.

The people who wrote Wings Of Death 2 (Lethal Xcess) were former demomakers (TEX), like the ones who made Enchanted Land (TCB).

[Foebane]

Originally Posted by Valken

I think it is not "regulation" but pure GREED

Well, yeah, that too.

[kremiso]

Originally Posted by Keops/Equinox

It's not specific to STE, it's a trick coming from the demoscene. You can remove the lower border by switching to 60Hz for a short moment at the last line of the normal screen. No games made use of that because it's risky, it can be unstable and not work on some ST's.

The same kind of trick is used to open the top, left and right borders, but for those you need perfectly constant CPU usage since operations opening the borders need to happen at exactly the right moment, many times per line.

It's a nightmare to handle for a game, so the trick was basically never used. For the record, you can open the top and lower borders with a timer, which does not require constant time instructions integrated inside your fullscreen/overscan code.

The people who wrote Wings Of Death 2 (Lethal Xcess) were former demomakers (TEX), like the ones who made Enchanted Land (TCB).

Thank you for the explain, risky but great effect i can say
Great game