babylonian twins could be released - Page 2

turrican3 · 26 December 2013, 12:22

thanks TCD,

i hope he could connect soon.

Retroplay · 26 December 2013, 12:49

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Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

If there are ADF's available, just like Putty Squad, that takes care of real Amigas as well.

Indeed, and thanks to you and the chaps at System 3, I believe anything is possible now.

BippyM · 26 December 2013, 14:10

I'm sorry but these guys are out to just make money. Not that that is wrong or anything like that but the way they are doing it is!

Why should they hold the community to ransom for this. Sorry but IMO this game is not worth that kind of money. Maybe $5 at a push!

Please note.. This is my opinion

Paul_s · 26 December 2013, 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by bippym

I'm sorry but these guys are out to just make money. Not that that is wrong or anything like that but the way they are doing it is!

Why should they hold the community to ransom for this. Sorry but IMO this game is not worth that kind of money. Maybe $5 at a push!

Please note.. This is my opinion

agreed.

I played the demo not so long ago - it's a poor 'Arabian Nights' in my opinion - wasn't that impressed by it.

TCD · 26 December 2013, 14:30

Just for those who missed the discussion over 5 years ago: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=39996

Seems like now that the mobile market is 'farmed' a 'deluxe' version for Amiga is way more viable... I'll ask Rabah about the reasons why he and the other people involved stayed completely silent after the initial promises for that long. Can't wait to hear his answer.

turrican3 · 26 December 2013, 16:33

myself, i don't think that if they release it is for making money...
I don't now how much amigans still left but i think not so much then they just ask money to make a box collector. They just made money already on mobile market, i don't think they will deliver an amiga version for money.
Now why they stay silent so long ??? Perhaps they had better things to do or finally they thought that the amiga market is too tiny ??? but now ,they opened the door and we have to use it. This is just my opinion.

turrican3 · 26 December 2013, 16:35

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Originally Posted by TCD

Just for those who missed the discussion over 5 years ago: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=39996

Seems like now that the mobile market is 'farmed' a 'deluxe' version for Amiga is way more viable... I'll ask Rabah about the reasons why he and the other people involved stayed completely silent after the initial promises for that long. Can't wait to hear his answer.

It was already 5 years ago, oh mate !!! i'm too old, the years goes too fast !!! 5 years.... incredible. I thought it was 3 years ago but never 5 !!!

BippyM · 26 December 2013, 16:54

Why would they release a collectors edition for money when clearly most members will only want digital copy

desiv · 26 December 2013, 17:00

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Originally Posted by bippym

Why should they hold the community to ransom for this.

I'm not sure that's what "ransom" actually means..

It's theirs. They have the right to do what they want with it...
Is the store holding my Cookie Crisp for ransom because I have to pay for it? ;-)
Ok, how about a digital example; is Netflix holding those movies for ransom because I need to pay for a subscription to watch them? That's silly..

Would it be awesome if they released it for free? Of course,

But we're not "entitled" to get it from them for free...

desiv

BippyM · 26 December 2013, 17:06

I never said anything about it for free and it's not the same thing.

They promised an amiga release 5 years ago.. This never happened, instead they build people's hopes, and then move over to mobiles and the pay to play type of model along with in game advertising.. Something that is perfectly fine and above board.. Now they are trying to get interest to charge up to $30 yet we can get it on mobile for less..

Sorry I have no interest to pay that muchbfor this game.. You are right.. It's theirs and they can do as they please with it so good luck to them.

turrican3 · 26 December 2013, 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by bippym

Why would they release a collectors edition for money when clearly most members will only want digital copy

bippym, listen, i don't know and you don't nkow how much guys are ready to pay for it, one of the thread about babylonian twins reached 42.000 views how to know what these guys wants ? Many guys doen't write their opinion... they made a subscribe if not enough guys have interest they will surely change their mind.
PS: all these discussions will lead to nothing good, i'll just wait the babylonian twins coder to connect on eab and then everybody could ask anything he wants.

desiv · 26 December 2013, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by bippym

I never said anything about it for free

Oh..
The use of the word "ransom" threw me off..
I kind of attach that to asking for payment...

Quote:

Originally Posted by bippym

They promised an amiga release 5 years ago.

System 3 promised an Amiga release almost 20 years ago.. ;-)
Patience is a virtue.. ;-)
And they did release a demo, so it's not like they did nothing.
Moving over to a platform that can make them money? Hmmm.. Kind of makes sense to me..

Some people have no interest in paying that much. That's always the option for any game for sale..
Some don't mind..

There are some awesome homebrews (Vectrex ones come to mind) that I would LOVE to have, but they are asking more money than I'm willing to pay.
But I hold no bad thoughts in any way towards them.

Besides, it's not like, if they release the game for some people at a price of $30 or so, you won't be able to get it for free some (probably very short) time after that..
This is the Amiga we are talking about.. ;-)

Have a good one..

desiv

turrican3 · 26 December 2013, 17:37

And the game is good for an amiga game, it's just a question of taste but i think that this game is really good.... If it was a shit i wouldn't be here to discuss about it. And myself i don't care about a mobile version i want my amiga gem.

turrican3 · 26 December 2013, 18:09

like i said before if you want a 5$ digital release just send them an email that you have interest in the game but in a digital form and you'll see what happen or not.If they prefer to make a box version, i really be happy with that, it will be a collector and for them it's surely most greatfull to see there amiga games released in a box , ireally don't think that it's for money, there is no money to take with the amiga anymore, you can just try to don't loose money.

Bluntman · 29 December 2013, 05:04

Why not get RGCD to publish the boxed versions? The little boxes used for the C64 cartridges fit floppy disks inside, and it could be the start of a line of professionally published, new Amiga games.

http://www.rgcd.co.uk/

Bamiga2002 · 29 December 2013, 10:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by desiv

I'm not sure that's what "ransom" actually means..

It's theirs. They have the right to do what they want with it...
Is the store holding my Cookie Crisp for ransom because I have to pay for it? ;-

...

Would it be awesome if they released it for free? Of course,

But we're not "entitled" to get it from them for free...

desiv

They said they'd deliver the Amiga-version. Nothing has been heard of them since. I doubt Rabah or anyone is coming back here to explain anything. Yes it's their game, BUT don't try to defend them. A promise is a promise. And one word comes to mind - greed...

sokolovic · 29 December 2013, 10:38

I must say that I'm agreeing in every part to what desiv said.

If they want to make money or, most surely in my opinion, cover the expenses by asking 15/30$ they can do it, obviously, because it's THEIR game.

And I'll prefer to pay a little more for an old school boxed version better than a digital download.

Phantom · 29 December 2013, 12:20

Opinions vary here, but I have to say that I'm in the middle of it. On the other hand, a digital-download would be nice, for people that are not collectors, but a fully boxed game with manual, floppies and maybe an extra 'feelie' (like Infocom did) would justify the price they are asking in my opinion, and I don't think that smartphones version is an excuse; I really don't care about smartphones, tablets etc.

I was wondering why they didn't start a Kickstarter campaign at the first place. Anyway, I did send my subscription and wait for the final result (if any).

_ThEcRoW · 29 December 2013, 15:41

They didn't delivered at that time. Now they want 30 eur/$???. Good luck with that, but as others have pointed out, seems greed.

TCD · 29 December 2013, 15:56

I'm pretty sure a free Amiga version wouldn't have hurt the mobiles sales much or at all, but now offering a "Collector Edition" only when enough people show interest and that after the game is being sold for 4 years seems very 'odd' considering the story about EAB discovering the long lost game is still part of their front page story. Several people showed up here and boosted the threads with promises to basically just lure people to buy the full version on mobile platforms if they liked the demo. No response for 5 years afterwards doesn't make me feel like putting my money into their hands even if I planned to do it back then. They sure have every right to do what they like with their IP, but so do I with my money

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26 December 2013, 12:22	#21
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	thanks TCD, i hope he could connect soon.

26 December 2013, 14:10	#23
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	I'm sorry but these guys are out to just make money. Not that that is wrong or anything like that but the way they are doing it is! Why should they hold the community to ransom for this. Sorry but IMO this game is not worth that kind of money. Maybe $5 at a push! Please note.. This is my opinion

26 December 2013, 14:30	#25
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,522	Just for those who missed the discussion over 5 years ago: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=39996 Seems like now that the mobile market is 'farmed' a 'deluxe' version for Amiga is way more viable... I'll ask Rabah about the reasons why he and the other people involved stayed completely silent after the initial promises for that long. Can't wait to hear his answer.

26 December 2013, 16:33	#26
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	myself, i don't think that if they release it is for making money... I don't now how much amigans still left but i think not so much then they just ask money to make a box collector. They just made money already on mobile market, i don't think they will deliver an amiga version for money. Now why they stay silent so long ??? Perhaps they had better things to do or finally they thought that the amiga market is too tiny ??? but now ,they opened the door and we have to use it. This is just my opinion.

26 December 2013, 16:54	#28
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	Why would they release a collectors edition for money when clearly most members will only want digital copy

26 December 2013, 17:06	#30
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	I never said anything about it for free and it's not the same thing. They promised an amiga release 5 years ago.. This never happened, instead they build people's hopes, and then move over to mobiles and the pay to play type of model along with in game advertising.. Something that is perfectly fine and above board.. Now they are trying to get interest to charge up to $30 yet we can get it on mobile for less.. Sorry I have no interest to pay that muchbfor this game.. You are right.. It's theirs and they can do as they please with it so good luck to them.

26 December 2013, 17:37	#33
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	And the game is good for an amiga game, it's just a question of taste but i think that this game is really good.... If it was a shit i wouldn't be here to discuss about it. And myself i don't care about a mobile version i want my amiga gem.

26 December 2013, 18:09	#34
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	like i said before if you want a 5$ digital release just send them an email that you have interest in the game but in a digital form and you'll see what happen or not.If they prefer to make a box version, i really be happy with that, it will be a collector and for them it's surely most greatfull to see there amiga games released in a box , ireally don't think that it's for money, there is no money to take with the amiga anymore, you can just try to don't loose money.

29 December 2013, 05:04	#35
Bluntman Registered User Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 13	Why not get RGCD to publish the boxed versions? The little boxes used for the C64 cartridges fit floppy disks inside, and it could be the start of a line of professionally published, new Amiga games. http://www.rgcd.co.uk/

29 December 2013, 10:38	#37
sokolovic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Marseille / France Posts: 1,416	I must say that I'm agreeing in every part to what desiv said. If they want to make money or, most surely in my opinion, cover the expenses by asking 15/30$ they can do it, obviously, because it's THEIR game. And I'll prefer to pay a little more for an old school boxed version better than a digital download.

29 December 2013, 12:20	#38
Phantom Adventurer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Colossal Cave, Valaii Posts: 364	Opinions vary here, but I have to say that I'm in the middle of it. On the other hand, a digital-download would be nice, for people that are not collectors, but a fully boxed game with manual, floppies and maybe an extra 'feelie' (like Infocom did) would justify the price they are asking in my opinion, and I don't think that smartphones version is an excuse; I really don't care about smartphones, tablets etc. I was wondering why they didn't start a Kickstarter campaign at the first place. Anyway, I did send my subscription and wait for the final result (if any).

29 December 2013, 15:41	#39
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	They didn't delivered at that time. Now they want 30 eur/$???. Good luck with that, but as others have pointed out, seems greed.

29 December 2013, 15:56	#40
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,522	I'm pretty sure a free Amiga version wouldn't have hurt the mobiles sales much or at all, but now offering a "Collector Edition" only when enough people show interest and that after the game is being sold for 4 years seems very 'odd' considering the story about EAB discovering the long lost game is still part of their front page story. Several people showed up here and boosted the threads with promises to basically just lure people to buy the full version on mobile platforms if they liked the demo. No response for 5 years afterwards doesn't make me feel like putting my money into their hands even if I planned to do it back then. They sure have every right to do what they like with their IP, but so do I with my money

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