Crap games that shudda been good

Dastardly · 06 February 2003, 17:24

What Amiga games do you think could have been a LOT better if made by a different developer?

I think the Streetfighter 2 rights were TOTALLY wasted as Elfmania later proved that a decent conversion was technically possible.

I loved to play Chase H.Q in the arcades but the Amiga version stunk badly! If only the Lotus team had produced it things could have been so much better.

Drake1009 · 06 February 2003, 19:27

How about Rainbow islands? That could've been better but it was ok.

Daz · 06 February 2003, 21:35

Rainbow Islands is Perfection! Leave it be dammit!

CodyJarrett · 06 February 2003, 21:41

Yeah, I'm quite surprised that Rainbow Islands should feature in this thread!

Dastardly · 06 February 2003, 22:58

Yeah me too!

I never played the arcade version but I cant see how it could have been much better.

th4t1guy · 07 February 2003, 00:03

D/Generation: The game was really fun, but the graphics? They could've at least touched them up and better sound fx as well.

Almost any Seirra game: EGA graphics on an Amiga? Give me a break! What was even worse is that some magazines had the audacity to give these games 80-90% scores for gfx.

Rise of the Robots: erm...this game just sucked.

fiath · 07 February 2003, 09:48

Rainbow Islands was hot on the Amiga, but it really could have been better... But maybe only if the Amiga itself was better!

The only thing I really notice after playing the arcade version (from a real PCB not MAME) is that the Amiga version has a slightly lower framerate and very slightly less quality on the gfx.

The thing that *used* to annoy me about the Amiga version was using "up" for jump and "fire" for rainbows. I liked the arcade version better (a button for both). However, I have since discovered that the Amiga way is actually quite cool, but there are some moves that are harder to perform (and some that are easier).

I also think the Amiga version is slightly easier, but that could just be me.

Dastardly · 07 February 2003, 09:53

Easier!? I dont think I ever got past island 4! (maybe Im just crap)
Insect, Monster, Toy....what was 4th? <<<Is that order correct?

Tim Janssen · 07 February 2003, 10:17

One game that definitely should have been done by an other team is Bionic Commando. The Amiga version is horrendous! The push-scrolling makes it virtually unplayable. If the game was handled by the same team who did the European version of C64 Bionic Commando (I lost the name of the team), it would get better.
On the other hand, the conversion is developed in the Eighties and the boundaries of what an Amiga could handle weren't fully exploited. If they would convert it a few years later (somewhere in the nineties) the game would look identical to Bionic Commando in the Arcades. *sigh*

@Rainbow Islands,
I downloaded the arcade game a couple of months ago and I am surprised how close the Amiga version is. B.T.W. I find this game very difficult. I got to the endboss of Spooky-Island (the one with the black-coloured background).

fiath · 07 February 2003, 12:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Dastardly
Easier!? I dont think I ever got past island 4! (maybe Im just crap)
Insect, Monster, Toy....what was 4th? <<<Is that order correct?

Insect, Monster, Toy... Arkanoid

Great level that one!

Yes, it is hard. But it not as hard as the arcade version!

It is one of those games that takes lots of practice. But when you do master it, it actually comes quite easily. It is certainly not in the realm of "impossible hard" - just "practice practice practice". This is how games should be IMO.

I have got pretty crap at it over the years, you certainly loose it after a while! I also think that going between Amiga and Arcade verisons is a baaaddd idea

BippyM · 07 February 2003, 16:01

You'll actually find it is Insect, Robot, Monster, Toy, Arkanoid

fiath · 07 February 2003, 17:08

Nah, I didn't like that one anyway...

Amiga1992 · 07 February 2003, 18:09

I too think Rainbow Islands was supercool. It's my fave conversion!

Street Fighter 2 could have been benefitted by another team developing it. Probe comes to mind, they were arcade conversion masters

(Elfmania was 100% technical showoff, but little gameplay bliss :/)

Akira should have been done by a japanese dev :P ICE completely destroyed the license.

There are lots of others, mainly conversions from other formats.

Mangar · 07 February 2003, 18:16

By far, the 2 games that most disappointed me, based on all the hype they were getting, was Legends of Valour and Epic.

Both were supposed to rival Ultima underworld and Wing Commander but failed miserably...

Shatterhand · 07 February 2003, 20:09

I think Epic is better than Wing Commander.

But hell, I think I am the only fan of Epic in the whole world.

Codetapper · 07 February 2003, 21:42

The Amiga version of this game is sheer perfection. My favourite arcade conversion by miles.

I also think up to jump is easier and the Amiga community is used to it. The other great thing about the game is you can play it to try and get through all the levels OR play it properly, collecting the gems in the correct order and skipping the end of level bosses and getting the correct end of game message.

I also agree that an experienced player can get pretty far easily, I can get to level 4 everytime on the first credit.

I think most beat-em-ups conversions should have been better on the Amiga. Street Fighter 1 and 2, Pitfighter etc. R-Type 2 slowed down too much due to the stupid scrolling background, Buggy Boy's frame update was pretty shocking, most racing games from ICE were duff conversions too (Chase HQ 1 and 2, Cisco Heat). In fact how did ICE become so prolific when they just churned out the same crap time and time again?

Antiriad · 08 February 2003, 00:02

Ghouls N Ghosts was just TERRIBLE on the Amiga. It could have been done a whole lot better. Ghosts N Gobins was arcade perfect after all.

Edit: Sorry Dastardly! I think its dire! Arcade and SNES versions are fab in comparison

maddog · 08 February 2003, 13:44

The Amiga version of Strider could have been better...... but then again it was even worse on most other home platforms.

Also games where the Amiga version was ported from the ST to save development time.....

Dastardly · 08 February 2003, 14:58

@Antiriad
If you referring to my avatar then look again, it from the excellent C64 version.

I agree with you, the Amiga version stunk.

7-Zark-7 · 08 February 2003, 15:53

Quote:

Originally posted by Antiriad
Ghouls N Ghosts was just TERRIBLE on the Amiga. It could have been done a whole lot better. Ghosts N Gobins was arcade perfect after all.

Edit: Sorry Dastardly! I think its dire! Arcade and SNES versions are fab in comparison

Software Creations did the 8bit/16bit versions for U.S. Gold, the C64 whilst tough was a good conversion given the technical limitations, but agree that the Amiga version was ST ported crud. The only redeeming feature was the excellent music.

@Tim, I'm not sure but I'd assume Software Creations did the 16bit version of Bionic Commando too-unfortunately their Amiga track record was not as good as their generally great C64 games & classic Follin tunes,(apart from Bubble Bobble I can't recall many good S'ware Creations Amiga games).

As suggested earlier, European lead conversions of the Sierra catalogue & indeed LucasArts classic Graphic adventures would've been appreciated. Indeed Revolution did so with one of the latter Kings Quest games if I'm not mistaken? (KQ 5 or 6, wasn't it?).

As for strider, I think Team 17's Assasin proved what might've been. Rainbow Arts probably could've done a better version of Rtype 2. Whilst their R-type translation looked like an ST port, their original shootemups X-out & Z-out (& Turrican of course)showed what the Amiga was capable of.

06 February 2003, 17:24	#1
Dastardly Into the Wonderful Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 49 Posts: 2,335	Crap games that shudda been good What Amiga games do you think could have been a LOT better if made by a different developer? I think the Streetfighter 2 rights were TOTALLY wasted as Elfmania later proved that a decent conversion was technically possible. I loved to play Chase H.Q in the arcades but the Amiga version stunk badly! If only the Lotus team had produced it things could have been so much better.

07 February 2003, 10:17	#9
Tim Janssen Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Den Bosch / The Netherlands Age: 47 Posts: 1,271	Bionic Commando One game that definitely should have been done by an other team is Bionic Commando. The Amiga version is horrendous! The push-scrolling makes it virtually unplayable. If the game was handled by the same team who did the European version of C64 Bionic Commando (I lost the name of the team), it would get better. On the other hand, the conversion is developed in the Eighties and the boundaries of what an Amiga could handle weren't fully exploited. If they would convert it a few years later (somewhere in the nineties) the game would look identical to Bionic Commando in the Arcades. sigh @Rainbow Islands, I downloaded the arcade game a couple of months ago and I am surprised how close the Amiga version is. B.T.W. I find this game very difficult. I got to the endboss of Spooky-Island (the one with the black-coloured background).

07 February 2003, 18:09	#13
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Re: Crap games that shudda been good I too think Rainbow Islands was supercool. It's my fave conversion! Street Fighter 2 could have been benefitted by another team developing it. Probe comes to mind, they were arcade conversion masters (Elfmania was 100% technical showoff, but little gameplay bliss :/) Akira should have been done by a japanese dev :P ICE completely destroyed the license. There are lots of others, mainly conversions from other formats.

07 February 2003, 21:42	#16
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,187	Rainbow Islands rules! The Amiga version of this game is sheer perfection. My favourite arcade conversion by miles. I also think up to jump is easier and the Amiga community is used to it. The other great thing about the game is you can play it to try and get through all the levels OR play it properly, collecting the gems in the correct order and skipping the end of level bosses and getting the correct end of game message. I also agree that an experienced player can get pretty far easily, I can get to level 4 everytime on the first credit. I think most beat-em-ups conversions should have been better on the Amiga. Street Fighter 1 and 2, Pitfighter etc. R-Type 2 slowed down too much due to the stupid scrolling background, Buggy Boy's frame update was pretty shocking, most racing games from ICE were duff conversions too (Chase HQ 1 and 2, Cisco Heat). In fact how did ICE become so prolific when they just churned out the same crap time and time again?

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06 February 2003, 19:27	#2
Drake1009 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,284	How about Rainbow islands? That could've been better but it was ok.

06 February 2003, 21:35	#3
Daz Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Blackburn Age: 42 Posts: 174	Rainbow Islands is Perfection! Leave it be dammit!

06 February 2003, 21:41	#4
CodyJarrett Global Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Age: 46 Posts: 6,161	Yeah, I'm quite surprised that Rainbow Islands should feature in this thread!

06 February 2003, 22:58	#5
Dastardly Into the Wonderful Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 49 Posts: 2,335	Yeah me too! I never played the arcade version but I cant see how it could have been much better.

07 February 2003, 00:03	#6
th4t1guy Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City, MO, USA Posts: 683	D/Generation: The game was really fun, but the graphics? They could've at least touched them up and better sound fx as well. Almost any Seirra game: EGA graphics on an Amiga? Give me a break! What was even worse is that some magazines had the audacity to give these games 80-90% scores for gfx. Rise of the Robots: erm...this game just sucked.

07 February 2003, 09:48	#7
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Rainbow Islands was hot on the Amiga, but it really could have been better... But maybe only if the Amiga itself was better! The only thing I really notice after playing the arcade version (from a real PCB not MAME) is that the Amiga version has a slightly lower framerate and very slightly less quality on the gfx. The thing that used to annoy me about the Amiga version was using "up" for jump and "fire" for rainbows. I liked the arcade version better (a button for both). However, I have since discovered that the Amiga way is actually quite cool, but there are some moves that are harder to perform (and some that are easier). I also think the Amiga version is slightly easier, but that could just be me.

07 February 2003, 09:53	#8
Dastardly Into the Wonderful Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 49 Posts: 2,335	Easier!? I dont think I ever got past island 4! (maybe Im just crap) Insect, Monster, Toy....what was 4th? <<<Is that order correct?

07 February 2003, 16:01	#11
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	You'll actually find it is Insect, Robot, Monster, Toy, Arkanoid

07 February 2003, 17:08	#12
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	Nah, I didn't like that one anyway...

07 February 2003, 18:16	#14
Mangar Got the fever back Join Date: May 2001 Location: Toronto / Canada Age: 52 Posts: 288	By far, the 2 games that most disappointed me, based on all the hype they were getting, was Legends of Valour and Epic. Both were supposed to rival Ultima underworld and Wing Commander but failed miserably...

07 February 2003, 20:09	#15
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	I think Epic is better than Wing Commander. But hell, I think I am the only fan of Epic in the whole world.

08 February 2003, 00:02	#17
Antiriad The Sacred Armour Of Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sussex, UK Age: 45 Posts: 1,141	Ghouls N Ghosts was just TERRIBLE on the Amiga. It could have been done a whole lot better. Ghosts N Gobins was arcade perfect after all. Edit: Sorry Dastardly! I think its dire! Arcade and SNES versions are fab in comparison

08 February 2003, 13:44	#18
maddog Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: .au Posts: 60	The Amiga version of Strider could have been better...... but then again it was even worse on most other home platforms. Also games where the Amiga version was ported from the ST to save development time.....

08 February 2003, 14:58	#19
Dastardly Into the Wonderful Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: England Age: 49 Posts: 2,335	@Antiriad If you referring to my avatar then look again, it from the excellent C64 version. I agree with you, the Amiga version stunk.

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