Best sprite scaling/Doom style engines on Amiga? - Page 2

Marcuz · 20 March 2009, 10:28

Legend Of Valour impressed me a lot. it was prolly also the first exemple of this kind of engine i saw.
Ambermoon is good too, and Alien Breed 3D.

Predseda · 20 March 2009, 14:42

Awesome - the resizing space killer is... just awesome

ImmortalA1000 · 20 March 2009, 19:53

I found only a link to a video of the PC version of Legends of Valour here

[ Show youtube player ]

I'll have a look for Ambermoon now. If only UAE had a built in 'to AVI' option like VICE does I would do vids myself and stick them on youtube

Edit: Ambermoon has different entries but one just looks like Zelda game and the other like a Golden Axe rip-off. Can't see any 3D or sprite scaling in either type on the vids.

TCD · 20 March 2009, 19:55

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Originally Posted by ImmortalA1000

If only UAE had a built in 'to AVI' option like VICE does I would do vids myself and stick them on youtube

It has

Look at the 'Output' window. Should be quite self explanatory

ImmortalA1000 · 20 March 2009, 20:02

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Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

It has

Look at the 'Output' window. Should be quite self explanatory

Serves me right for never updating my old copy that I have setup. Magic

TCD · 20 March 2009, 20:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImmortalA1000

Serves me right for never updating my old copy that I have setup. Magic

Looking forward to see some vids then

tomcat666 · 20 March 2009, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImmortalA1000

I found only a link to a video of the PC version of Legends of Valour here
[ Show youtube player ]

The Amiga version had actually a better rendering engine. In the amiga version you can see outside the window (and into the houses from the outside)...

See the screenshot...

rsn8887 · 21 March 2009, 02:30

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Originally Posted by ImmortalA1000

I'm pretty sure that sprite scaling on Lotus II is pretty much up there, certainly no later racing games had smoother or faster graphics than that not even Lotus III (although the CD32 version of Lotus III looks pretty close to Lotus II but there were no A1200 versions I could get working at the time I remember not even with relo-kick etc.)

AFAIK there's no realtime scaling done during Lotus gameplay at all, it was all pre-scaled. Or am I wrong?

tomcat666 · 21 March 2009, 07:19

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Originally Posted by rsn8887

AFAIK there's no realtime scaling done during Lotus gameplay at all, it was all pre-scaled. Or am I wrong?

You are right... all the graphics are pre-scaled in memory... confirmed with GfxRip :

ImmortalA1000 · 21 March 2009, 14:38

When I say sprite scaling I'm just talking about the kind of Sega Outrun/Afterburner type graphics that's all, they don't need to be scaled in realtime just displayed very fast and smooth and not requiring more than the usual 1mb for A500/1000 arcade games

Interesting you can see the graphics, how easy would it be to change them as I have a little spare time I could use to knock up some replacement graphics for a little test

I think Stardust and Super Stardust AGA use some kind of a streaming animation for the tunnel walls?

s2325 · 10 April 2009, 22:55

Is it possible that Bump'n'Burn is less smoother on CD32 than on A500? I noticed it today.

Adropac2 · 11 April 2009, 06:42

Cant be certain but i would guess that Driving force and Unreal didn't in fact use any sort of scaling.Rather the graphics used were the way they were for either keeping things fast or that memory just didn't allow for much in the way of detail for the hedge style 3d technique - essentially like Space Harrier then or indeed the other scaled looking Shock Wave

It would surely be asking just too much to achieve this on an A500 were it in actually true scaling

Adropac2 · 11 April 2009, 06:44

Ah it's already been said

Toffee · 11 April 2009, 20:03

Yeah games like the Lotus series, Out Run etc just use pre scaled sprites. If you want to see real image zooming on the Amiga check out this zoomer on a stock Amiga 500:-

Full screen 5 bitplane zoomer @ 50HZ :0)

[ Show youtube player ]

wilshy · 14 April 2009, 15:15

Glad Legends of Valour has popped up in there. Such an amazing atmosphere in it as well, surpassed by very few to this day.

Trick or Treat

I remember that, sticking a piece of cardboard down the middle of the TV so I could play it with a mate and they wouldn't know where each other was. PD game as well afaik.

Breathless was pretty good on a decent spec'd Amiga.

danwood · 17 April 2009, 18:50

legends of valour always blew me away when i was using may amiga 1200 until a couple of years ago and i have to agree with the people who mentioned awesome as well that was a great looking game i wore the awesome tea shirt constantly for years until it wore out and i had to throw it away

stefcep · 25 April 2009, 02:11

testament was a fast 3D shooter.

Doom (Adoom) actually was faster than Breathless and AB3d 2-on my Apollo 68040, don't know about lesser CPU's

blade002 · 25 April 2009, 09:08

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Originally Posted by stefcep

testament was a fast 3D shooter.

Doom (Adoom) actually was faster than Breathless and AB3d 2-on my Apollo 68040, don't know about lesser CPU's

I actually liked Testament A LOT !!!!!

Another good one was Trapped

frikilokooo · 25 April 2009, 11:42

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Originally Posted by stefcep

testament was a fast 3D shooter.

Testament is the fastest in an A1200 plain or with fast memory.You can play fullscreen and correct textures.Pity the game doesn't use side movement and CD32pad support.

lambrettadave · 10 October 2010, 09:15

what about jaguar xj240

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20 March 2009, 10:28	#21
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	Legend Of Valour impressed me a lot. it was prolly also the first exemple of this kind of engine i saw. Ambermoon is good too, and Alien Breed 3D.

20 March 2009, 14:42	#22
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,538	Awesome - the resizing space killer is... just awesome

20 March 2009, 19:53	#23
ImmortalA1000 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: london/england Posts: 1,347	I found only a link to a video of the PC version of Legends of Valour here [ Show youtube player ] I'll have a look for Ambermoon now. If only UAE had a built in 'to AVI' option like VICE does I would do vids myself and stick them on youtube Edit: Ambermoon has different entries but one just looks like Zelda game and the other like a Golden Axe rip-off. Can't see any 3D or sprite scaling in either type on the vids.

21 March 2009, 14:38	#30
ImmortalA1000 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: london/england Posts: 1,347	When I say sprite scaling I'm just talking about the kind of Sega Outrun/Afterburner type graphics that's all, they don't need to be scaled in realtime just displayed very fast and smooth and not requiring more than the usual 1mb for A500/1000 arcade games Interesting you can see the graphics, how easy would it be to change them as I have a little spare time I could use to knock up some replacement graphics for a little test I think Stardust and Super Stardust AGA use some kind of a streaming animation for the tunnel walls?

10 April 2009, 22:55	#31
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Is it possible that Bump'n'Burn is less smoother on CD32 than on A500? I noticed it today.

11 April 2009, 06:42	#32
Adropac2 Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Age: 51 Posts: 1,056	Cant be certain but i would guess that Driving force and Unreal didn't in fact use any sort of scaling.Rather the graphics used were the way they were for either keeping things fast or that memory just didn't allow for much in the way of detail for the hedge style 3d technique - essentially like Space Harrier then or indeed the other scaled looking Shock Wave It would surely be asking just too much to achieve this on an A500 were it in actually true scaling

11 April 2009, 06:44	#33
Adropac2 Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Age: 51 Posts: 1,056	Ah it's already been said

11 April 2009, 20:03	#34
Toffee Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Farnborough Posts: 148	Yeah games like the Lotus series, Out Run etc just use pre scaled sprites. If you want to see real image zooming on the Amiga check out this zoomer on a stock Amiga 500:- Full screen 5 bitplane zoomer @ 50HZ :0) [ Show youtube player ]

14 April 2009, 15:15	#35
wilshy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SouthEast-ish UK Posts: 372	Glad Legends of Valour has popped up in there. Such an amazing atmosphere in it as well, surpassed by very few to this day. Trick or Treat I remember that, sticking a piece of cardboard down the middle of the TV so I could play it with a mate and they wouldn't know where each other was. PD game as well afaik. Breathless was pretty good on a decent spec'd Amiga.

17 April 2009, 18:50	#36
danwood Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: oldham/england Posts: 75	legends of valour always blew me away when i was using may amiga 1200 until a couple of years ago and i have to agree with the people who mentioned awesome as well that was a great looking game i wore the awesome tea shirt constantly for years until it wore out and i had to throw it away

25 April 2009, 02:11	#37
stefcep Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Melbourne/australia Posts: 34	testament was a fast 3D shooter. Doom (Adoom) actually was faster than Breathless and AB3d 2-on my Apollo 68040, don't know about lesser CPU's

10 October 2010, 09:15	#40
lambrettadave Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: south shields Posts: 140	what about jaguar xj240

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