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Old 31 January 2020, 08:38   #1
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Getting the A500 online in 2020, options?

I have an ACA500Plus so I am already considering X-Surf 500 by icomp.

I also know a regular here sells the serial port WiModem232 (which I almost bought a year ago and I still am considering..)

Now there also seem to be parallel port solutions like the GuruNet..

What other options are there and what are the pros/cons of each?

What I want to get out of the hardware I get:

- Being able to FTP to my local fileserver
- TCP/IP connection to internet for FTP/BBS/E-Mail (and possibly Web) purposes
- Host a telnet BBS


Any suggestions as to what is a good fit for me and what isn't?

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Old 31 January 2020, 09:32   #2
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I had a plipbox (parallel port) and it was alright, good enough for a bit of file transfer in the background. Now I've got an X-Surf 500, which is only really worth doing if you've got a 020+ card attached to the ACA500+ so you can use web browsers and stuff.

Serial port is dead slow, I wouldn't do it unless it was the only option.
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Old 31 January 2020, 10:15   #3
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I had a plipbox (parallel port) and it was alright, good enough for a bit of file transfer in the background. Now I've got an X-Surf 500, which is only really worth doing if you've got a 020+ card attached to the ACA500+ so you can use web browsers and stuff.

Serial port is dead slow, I wouldn't do it unless it was the only option.

I have a standard ACA500+ that runs stable at 42MHz, web browsing is still out the window? Not that I mind too much, FTP, telnet and email are my primary concerns. So I should actually be looking at a parallel port adapter or the X-Surf.. X-Surf may be overkill but there isn't a huge difference between that and the NetGuru for example, price-wise. Are there any less expensive alterantives?
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You can build yourself a plipbox for around €15, using Chinese knock-off arduinos and various bits scavenged from ebay.

The speed of the ACA500+ isn't the issue so much as the processor type; almost all browsers require an 020 minimum. There's a 68000 build of the ancient "AWeb" browser that does just about work on a handful of websites but it's a bit of a frustrating experience.
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I have an ACA500Plus so I am already considering X-Surf 500 by icomp.

I also know a regular here sells the serial port WiModem232 (which I almost bought a year ago and I still am considering..)

Now there also seem to be parallel port solutions like the GuruNet..

What other options are there and what are the pros/cons of each?

What I want to get out of the hardware I get:

- Being able to FTP to my local fileserver
- TCP/IP connection to internet for FTP/BBS/E-Mail (and possibly Web) purposes
- Host a telnet BBS


Any suggestions as to what is a good fit for me and what isn't?

Anything over serial is going to be limited by serial speeds, so 38400 baud or maybe 57600 at best. That is pretty slow for anything other than transfer of very small files.


Have you any idea what BBS software you intend to run?
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You can build yourself a plipbox for around €15, using Chinese knock-off arduinos and various bits scavenged from ebay.

The speed of the ACA500+ isn't the issue so much as the processor type; almost all browsers require an 020 minimum. There's a 68000 build of the ancient "AWeb" browser that does just about work on a handful of websites but it's a bit of a frustrating experience.
Is there an open source project git and/or tutorial with BOM and Gerber files etc. for this? I would much appreciate a link, 15 EUR sounds mmmm perfect

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Anything over serial is going to be limited by serial speeds, so 38400 baud or maybe 57600 at best. That is pretty slow for anything other than transfer of very small files.


Have you any idea what BBS software you intend to run?

No, I have never run a BBS on an Amiga before, I started running one on my 486 back in '94. I want to try and learn it
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https://lallafa.de/blog/amiga-projects/plipbox/

I built mine following the instructions here. A guy on ebay was selling the PCBs and I found a cheap source of parallel port connections there too
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No, I have never run a BBS on an Amiga before, I started running one on my 486 back in '94. I want to try and learn it

I have an interest in all things Amiga BBS related. I am the author of the Ami-Express (or /X for short) BBS software. I'm interested to hear how you get on with this project for sure.


Ami-Express is quite niche being that it (or variations of it) was the standard BBS system used by almost all Amiga Warez Scene bbs's. If that is not your background then C-Net or Max's BBS were common back in the day.
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All Amiga BBS software are equally alien to me so going with someone I can ask for support from the author sounds like a good idea

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https://lallafa.de/blog/amiga-projects/plipbox/

I built mine following the instructions here. A guy on ebay was selling the PCBs and I found a cheap source of parallel port connections there too
I will look into this, I couldn't make out what PCB I need to get printed and what kind of arduino I need at first look though.. Did you build the nano or the monstrosity that looks like an IED?

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The nano.

I got this one:
https://www.ebay.de/itm/plipbox-Adap...wAAOSw1jpb8bpx
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All Amiga BBS software are equally alien to me so going with someone I can ask for support from the author sounds like a good idea

I am certainly happy to help if i can. I was not the original Author but I obtained permission from the original author and rewrote the whole thing a couple of years ago and have added many new features and bug-fixes since then.
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I have a friend in Germany who can bring this to me soon; so all I need is this, the Arduino Nano V3 and an Ethernet Shield board?

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I am certainly happy to help if i can. I was not the original Author but I obtained permission from the original author and rewrote the whole thing a couple of years ago and have added many new features and bug-fixes since then.

I will certainly get in touch with you once I get my Plipbox built and running.
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Happy a314

Eventually I think tha a314 will serve your needs.
https://github.com/niklasekstrom/a314
https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=97171

It'll probably get bsdsocket.library
https://github.com/niklasekstrom/a314/issues/22

For A500s, I think this will be the most powerful way to get online bar the Vampire 500 v2.
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A lot of software is now unavailable, just by simply not turning the 020 switch off and compiling a binary. Such a simple (and supportive) thing to do (in 2020 hindsight!) ;p

Eyy Phantasm good stuff!
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Eventually I think tha a314 will serve your needs.
https://github.com/niklasekstrom/a314
https://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=97171

It'll probably get bsdsocket.library
https://github.com/niklasekstrom/a314/issues/22

For A500s, I think this will be the most powerful way to get online bar the Vampire 500 v2.
Is it compatible with the ACA500+?
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I'm not sure, ask on the official support thread here at EAB, or come on over to the chat at EFnet.
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I have a friend in Germany who can bring this to me soon; so all I need is this, the Arduino Nano V3 and an Ethernet Shield board?
Exactly. And a mini USB cable and charger for power, which you probably have lying around. I've seen mods which allow the reset of the amiga to also reset the arduino, which saves a bit of hitting the reset button from time to time. Not done it myself

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Edited to add : I use this on my 68000 amigas to get online. The number of websites it can access is limited by lack of Javascript and css and https.... but aminet works and occasionally 'lite' or 'mobile' versions
http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/AWeb-3.5.09-68000

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I connect my A500 to the 5G network using a parallel- USB adapter
it can download up to 2mb/second
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I connect my A500 to the 5G network using a parallel- USB adapter
it can download up to 2mb/second

Hi Misclegend, could you tell a bit more about your solution? What kind of parallel-USB adapter do you use? And does it require special software?
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