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Old 27 November 2019, 22:38   #61
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Yes, I've just tested it, but this only works with the icon.library 44.4 of Aros when you use Wanderer. The dragging routines seem not to be compatible to Workbench 3.1.4, 3.5 or 3.9. With my lib the dragged icons get completely invisible if transparency is on, with the Aros lib sometimes too (all dragged ColorIcons are disappearing). And icon information is still freezing the system. So, I still prefer to use DOpus5 on Aros 68k.
I never liked Dopus5, moreover AROS 68k with Dopus5 is very slow in opening folders with icons
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Old 28 November 2019, 09:41   #62
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Maybe if you identify what was different about the dragging, the compatibility could be improved. Is it in icon lib or in wanderer? Wanderer is going to be phased out in favour of a completely new version but small fixes still are being done in particular for m68k. I can invite you to slack too.
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Old 28 November 2019, 13:46   #63
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I never liked Dopus5, moreover AROS 68k with Dopus5 is very slow in opening folders with icons
No, I'm not a fan of DOpus5, but I prefer to use it on Aros 68k as long as there are problems with Wanderer. Btw, my library is not optimized for Wanderer, because it's nearly impossible to identify its task reliable. If DOpus5 on Aros needs a lot of time to display icons then enable "borderless icons are fully transparent" and use my option IconsToFastMem (and maybe also DOnoColormapping + the "custom drag routines", which is faster but less nice looking).

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To be honest, I don't know how the dragging routines of Workbench, DOpus5, CGX4 or Wanderer are working. Usually, I just have to offer them a planar second image of the icon in Gadget->SelectRender or use BltMaskBitMapRastPort() and they will care about the dragging. That's not the job of icon.library. CGX4 has the nicest TrueColor dragging routine with 50% transparency.

Maybe Wanderer is using the alpha channel now and the ARGB format is really supported by the Aros 68k cybergraphics.library? In that case the name of this new option should be: "Use alpha channel for dragging" and not "transparency". But the alpha channel is not supported by P96 yet and there were also several bugs with ARGB, so that I recently decided to use the RGB format only on RTG screens.

Update: Indeed, Aros 68k uses the alpha channel information for the dragged icons if this transparency option is enabled, but mega strange, the alpha channel is not used for the motionless images! Why that? I don't get it ... My library is already doing the same now as the Aros version, and next, I will fix the dragging of ColorIcons. Done.

You can download the new Alpha version for Aros from the IconLib thread.
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=64079

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Old 29 November 2019, 09:54   #64
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You can download the new Alpha version for Aros from the IconLib thread.
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=64079
icon.library Alpha it now works well, even CopyIcon shows icons even if transparent, icon.library v44 no
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AROS One 68k Preview Video Tutorials:

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AROS One 68k: Zune Setting and File Associations

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Old 31 January 2020, 21:11   #67
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AROS is the future of AmigaOS. We need to give up on the copyright trolls and move to an open source model like the AtariST community did. There are continual updates and improvements to the AtariST OS due to it being open source.

Imagine how much further along we would be if the community would just rally behind AROS.
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Imagine how much further along we would be if the community had put that effort into advancing AmigaOS, rather than reinventing the wheel by implementing a poor clone of it.
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Imagine how much further along we would be if the community had put that effort into advancing AmigaOS, rather than reinventing the wheel by implementing a poor clone of it.
if that comes from someone signed a NDA making himself a slave... and that voluntary
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@Minuous I have to admit Ive not bothered to keep up with the back and forth regarding the legal status of AOS3.x and the effect it has on the development potential. Ive casually read aw.net, aorg and eab, and gotten the impression that "if the legal status had been sorted, we could work in a common direction" etc.


Maybe its the lack of knowledge on my part, but since it seems to be a ongoing issue, Ive finally put my userfunds (as it is) towards AROS devs. Its not a "fundamentalist" point of view, but the open nature of the project with little potential for legal noise/stops is why I finally decided to throw my support in that direction.


Note; Im a non-developer/coder and stictly a END user. I have several versions of AOS 3.x and AOS 4.x, so Ive done my "part" to support AOS vendors.
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The problem is that eventually after an greement is reached, or any party wins the legal case, I am pretty sure AmigaOS 68k will be open sourced anyway. Both Hyperion and Cloanto have publicly mentioned this in the past.

So for AROS on 68k, the countdown has already started even if no one is noticing it. The writing is on the wall.
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many promises has been made, so i rather believe in it when i see it.
it would be a bit puzzling, why would they fight so much over something they intend to give away for free.
but then open sourcing of what they actually would be able to open, wouldnt be a bad thing. it might eventually be used as reference for further development.
there are several options how such a situation could benefit both approaches.
but for now the situation is what it is.
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You are right to remain sceptical for the time being.
Lets just hope for the best, and time will do the rest.
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Lets just hope for the best, and time will do the rest.
no. im beyond that since years. its been enough. im not hoping for the best. and i dont think that time is going to do something for me. for me, its time to take action.
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You are right to remain sceptical for the time being.
Lets just hope for the best, and time will do the rest.
BTW Aros is much more than 3.1 or kickstarts

It is a full OS including components like AHI, RTG, network stack, USB stack

And as Wawa mentioned... the 68k branch of Aros would benefit from opening of the sources. But I do not believe that this will happening

Simply because you can still earn money with the kickstarts today. And for Hyperion using the real sources and thus claiming to be the only real successor of 3.1 is a seller... at least for some of the buyers. They will not give away that voluntary.

Where did Hyperion ever support the idea of open source 3.1? I only know that Cloanto officially mentioned that as option
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BTW Aros is much more than 3.1 or kickstarts

It is a full OS including components like AHI, RTG, network stack, USB stack

And as Wawa mentioned... the 68k branch of Aros would benefit from opening of the sources. But I do not believe that this will happening

Simply because you can still earn money with the kickstarts today. And for Hyperion using the real sources and thus claiming to be the only real successor of 3.1 is a seller... at least for some of the buyers. They will not give away that voluntary.
It is a full OS, in alpha state, that is not designed for, and does not work well on Amiga hardware. And the Amiga hardware has a lot of tricks/quirks and oddities that are very special and require a specific approach and not a generic one like AROS does due to its commitment on portability. That is why it suffers a lot on real Amigas.

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Where did Hyperion ever support the idea of open source 3.1? I only know that Cloanto officially mentioned that as option
Hyperion has not been as vocal as Cloanto on Open source. They in fact communicate very little on all matters. It was its Director Timothy De Groote that mentioned open sourcing publicly, but he did not make any promises to then leave them unfullfilled for years.

Anyway, things seem to be happening:
http://amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2020-02-00011-EN.html
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Anyway, things seem to be happening:
http://amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2020-02-00011-EN.html
Interesting, soon we will know..
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It is a full OS, in alpha state,
It's running extremely well for that, though.
And on some fronts it's even a lot more usable than the standard Amiga OS in my experience.

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that is not designed for, and does not work well on Amiga hardware.
While that is a factor on old Amiga hardware, it's less and less important for something with the speed of like the Vampire.

I think this will turn some heads over the next year, seeing AROS running well on it.

It only takes a well done good and modern looking distro, and people will want to use it.
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I'd like to remind you that this Standard version of AROS 68k (base Nightly Build standard) can also be started from a high-end Real AMiGA and has the possibility to map the Rom, this Distro is not compatible with Vampire unless specifically modified.

AROS One 68k: Test WBDock Fynny
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Is it still possible to download this? I thought I already had it!
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