Atapi device not found

protek · 22 June 2010, 13:43

The CD-ROM drive on my A4000 just gave up on me. While it recognizes a disc and displays icon as diskette, it doesn't show anything in the drawer. The files can be viewed through shell but not executed. It used to work ok before so I think it's the end of the road.

As I had just dumped old PC hw, I went and bought a new unit with specs: cheapest possible thing that spins CDs and isn't deeper than 20 cm. I got this DVD multiwriter from LG. I put that in and booted up. Now I'm getting "atapi device not found". Not even the finddevice utility can't find it. Is there something I could try or do I just have to return it and try to find an old spinner?

thomas · 22 June 2010, 13:48

Master/slave jumper set in the same way as the old drive? Power and data cables connected correctly?

Zetr0 · 22 June 2010, 13:59

@protek

What OS are you using - 3.0, 3.1, 3.5 or 3.9?

Do you have any OS exentions like ClassicWorkbench ?

---

This sounds as possible Master/Slave device issue - it could also be a CDFS / IDEFix issue - personally I would dump it, update the SCSI.device and use AmiCDFS240 - but then I would also be using atleast a 3.1 Classic Workbench on an Basic A4000 030

protek · 22 June 2010, 14:30

@ Thomas and Zetr0
Jumpers and cables set same as in the old one. I'm running basic 3.1 installation. Idefix installed but disabled as my CF doesn't see eye to eye with it. Atapi.device in use but finddevice utility can't find the drive for other device drivers either.

thomas · 22 June 2010, 15:58

Does the drive work in a PC?
Does it open if you press the eject button?
Does something change if you leave a CD in it before you reset/power on?

If the old drive worked and hardware settings are exactly the same, the new drive should work, too.

Does the old drive work in a PC? Are you sure the old drive died? Perhaps it's the controller or the cable which died?

protek · 22 June 2010, 18:50

I don't have a PC set up so I can't test either drive. The eject button does work and the new drive's led flashes a few times during boot.

The HD led flashes actively with the old drive in but with the new drive it stays more or less lit continuously

rkauer · 22 June 2010, 19:44

Swap the DVD cable. Prefer one 80 vias for the DVD.

Put the DVD on the second channel of your IDE controller (I assume you are using an IDE-fix-express or a FastATA).

protek · 22 June 2010, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer

Swap the DVD cable. Prefer one 80 vias for the DVD.

Put the DVD on the second channel of your IDE controller (I assume you are using an IDE-fix-express or a FastATA).

Nope, just the plain old regular onboard IDE controller. Had to revert back to that since I couldn't get my GVP SCSI to work with reasonable effort.

The cable has 80 vias and it's not very easy to find a replacement as it has to be a pretty long one to get from the motherboard via DVD to the CF-IDE at the card bracket.

Hewitson · 23 June 2010, 08:05

Vias?

We're talking about a cable, not a pcb..

kriz · 23 June 2010, 08:42

You should try with another old cdrom, cdrom fails so often its crazy....

protek · 23 June 2010, 09:53

Well, success - of sorts. I changed the ribbon cable so I got the old drive working. Newer one didn't still see eye to eye with the Amiga. Let's see if OS3.9 installation helps with that.

Thanks for all your help!

kriz · 23 June 2010, 09:54

Nice, some progress

Schoenfeld · 23 June 2010, 19:07

I wonder how atapi.device can work without IDE-fix, as the two pieces of software belong together.

If IDE-fix has problems with a certain make of CF cards, you might be facing the "fixed/removable" issue, which is solved by the TrueIDE adapter:
http://www.vesalia.de/e_trueide.htm

TrueIDE occupies the whole IDE port, so you may want to add the IDE-fix adapter for the A4000, which lets you connect four IDE devices instead of two:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=599

Jens

Mozzerfan · 23 June 2010, 19:57

Doobrey wrote a patch to fix the problems with idefix97 software and CF-cards.

You can find it on aminet: http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/IDEFix_patches.

Works like a charm.

protek · 23 June 2010, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

I wonder how atapi.device can work without IDE-fix, as the two pieces of software belong together.

Ide-fix is actually installed but it is not run during bootup.

thomas · 24 June 2010, 11:44

Don't let them confuse you. Atapi.device works well without IDEfix. It even was a seperate product in the beginning. It was only packaged with CacheCDFS and IDEfix as IDEfix'97 later.

protek · 25 June 2010, 15:49

Now, are there any alternatives for atapi.device, if I want to use the newer drive? It would fit better into the A4000 bay. Now I have at least more up to date scsi.device with OS3.9. Does that also provide support for optical drives? I also installed AmiCDFS, I think. The instructions were not the most comprehensive. I suppose that only provides a filesystem and not the device driver?

Mad-Matt · 25 June 2010, 15:59

I dont know how it works on A4000, but you should have at least Units 0 and 1 on the ide scsi.device. an optical device should be fine without extra software. idefix is needed to activate units 2 and 3 on an a1200, but maybe a4k doesnt need it.

thomas · 25 June 2010, 16:29

Quote:

an optical device should be fine without extra software.

No. Neither on an A4000 nor on an A1200 nor on an A600 or any other Amiga with built-in IDE controllers. The IDE driver just does not support optical drives.

Quote:

Now, are there any alternatives for atapi.device

You can install scsi.ide from there: http://os.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en&page=37
You also need this to remove nag gurus: http://aminet.net/package/util/sys/patchstrip
Using this instead of the supplied LoadV43Module is a good idea, too: http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/LoadModule

Mad-Matt · 25 June 2010, 17:08

Ok symantics. The os35 scsi driver update does support optical drives. So if you replaced the rom with updated files .. your set

I do wonder if you could use the updated scsi.deviec just by supplying it in the cdrom mount list. Maybe renaming so it doesnt try to use rom version. save rebooting the system to install the file intorom space.

22 June 2010, 13:43	#1
protek Amiga hobbyist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 250	Atapi device not found The CD-ROM drive on my A4000 just gave up on me. While it recognizes a disc and displays icon as diskette, it doesn't show anything in the drawer. The files can be viewed through shell but not executed. It used to work ok before so I think it's the end of the road. As I had just dumped old PC hw, I went and bought a new unit with specs: cheapest possible thing that spins CDs and isn't deeper than 20 cm. I got this DVD multiwriter from LG. I put that in and booted up. Now I'm getting "atapi device not found". Not even the finddevice utility can't find it. Is there something I could try or do I just have to return it and try to find an old spinner?

25 June 2010, 17:08	#20
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	Ok symantics. The os35 scsi driver update does support optical drives. So if you replaced the rom with updated files .. your set I do wonder if you could use the updated scsi.deviec just by supplying it in the cdrom mount list. Maybe renaming so it doesnt try to use rom version. save rebooting the system to install the file intorom space. Last edited by Mad-Matt; 25 June 2010 at 17:23.

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22 June 2010, 13:48	#2
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	Master/slave jumper set in the same way as the old drive? Power and data cables connected correctly?

22 June 2010, 13:59	#3
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@protek What OS are you using - 3.0, 3.1, 3.5 or 3.9? Do you have any OS exentions like ClassicWorkbench ? --- This sounds as possible Master/Slave device issue - it could also be a CDFS / IDEFix issue - personally I would dump it, update the SCSI.device and use AmiCDFS240 - but then I would also be using atleast a 3.1 Classic Workbench on an Basic A4000 030

22 June 2010, 14:30	#4
protek Amiga hobbyist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 250	@ Thomas and Zetr0 Jumpers and cables set same as in the old one. I'm running basic 3.1 installation. Idefix installed but disabled as my CF doesn't see eye to eye with it. Atapi.device in use but finddevice utility can't find the drive for other device drivers either.

22 June 2010, 15:58	#5
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	Does the drive work in a PC? Does it open if you press the eject button? Does something change if you leave a CD in it before you reset/power on? If the old drive worked and hardware settings are exactly the same, the new drive should work, too. Does the old drive work in a PC? Are you sure the old drive died? Perhaps it's the controller or the cable which died?

22 June 2010, 18:50	#6
protek Amiga hobbyist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 250	I don't have a PC set up so I can't test either drive. The eject button does work and the new drive's led flashes a few times during boot. The HD led flashes actively with the old drive in but with the new drive it stays more or less lit continuously

22 June 2010, 19:44	#7
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Swap the DVD cable. Prefer one 80 vias for the DVD. Put the DVD on the second channel of your IDE controller (I assume you are using an IDE-fix-express or a FastATA).

23 June 2010, 08:05	#9
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,771	Vias? We're talking about a cable, not a pcb..

23 June 2010, 08:42	#10
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,185	You should try with another old cdrom, cdrom fails so often its crazy....

23 June 2010, 09:53	#11
protek Amiga hobbyist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 250	Well, success - of sorts. I changed the ribbon cable so I got the old drive working. Newer one didn't still see eye to eye with the Amiga. Let's see if OS3.9 installation helps with that. Thanks for all your help!

23 June 2010, 09:54	#12
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,185	Nice, some progress

23 June 2010, 19:07	#13
Schoenfeld electricky. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: out in the wild Posts: 1,256	I wonder how atapi.device can work without IDE-fix, as the two pieces of software belong together. If IDE-fix has problems with a certain make of CF cards, you might be facing the "fixed/removable" issue, which is solved by the TrueIDE adapter: http://www.vesalia.de/e_trueide.htm TrueIDE occupies the whole IDE port, so you may want to add the IDE-fix adapter for the A4000, which lets you connect four IDE devices instead of two: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=599 Jens

23 June 2010, 19:57	#14
Mozzerfan Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 199	Doobrey wrote a patch to fix the problems with idefix97 software and CF-cards. You can find it on aminet: http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/IDEFix_patches. Works like a charm.

24 June 2010, 11:44	#16
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	Don't let them confuse you. Atapi.device works well without IDEfix. It even was a seperate product in the beginning. It was only packaged with CacheCDFS and IDEfix as IDEfix'97 later.

25 June 2010, 15:49	#17
protek Amiga hobbyist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oulu, Finland Posts: 250	Now, are there any alternatives for atapi.device, if I want to use the newer drive? It would fit better into the A4000 bay. Now I have at least more up to date scsi.device with OS3.9. Does that also provide support for optical drives? I also installed AmiCDFS, I think. The instructions were not the most comprehensive. I suppose that only provides a filesystem and not the device driver?

25 June 2010, 15:59	#18
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	I dont know how it works on A4000, but you should have at least Units 0 and 1 on the ide scsi.device. an optical device should be fine without extra software. idefix is needed to activate units 2 and 3 on an a1200, but maybe a4k doesnt need it.

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