Beneath a steel sky CD32 version whdload

23 July 2011, 23:35

Hi

I'm having a problem with BASS, every time I play it from the beginning the intro works perfect and the game starts but with a continuous beeping noise, it goes after I leave the first room and comes back when I re-enter it, but its driving me crazy, just wondering if anyone else has had similar problems.

The Voice and music play fine through the beeping.

Every other Amiga whdlaod seems fine.

My Amiga spec is

A1200 1D1
3.0 ROM
ACA1230/42
4 GIG CF HDD
Classic WB Full

Thanks

mailman · 24 July 2011, 08:36

How much RAM do you have?

24 July 2011, 15:33

I have 2MB Chip Ram and 64MB Fast Ram.

The game does take a little while to start, but I expect that, being the size it is.

Also I have now installed ScummVM and I am going to give that a try today

mailman · 24 July 2011, 21:22

Corrupted files come to my mind. If you run the game without WHDLoad, does it happen the same?

24 July 2011, 22:57

I got the beneath a steel sky cd32 version from KillerGorilla's site, I dont have the disc, I do have the floppy version and that works, obviously with no speech.

I tried running BASS under ScummVM and got grapical corruption on the main ScummVM window and the system either locks up or reboots itself after a short while of play.

I think the problem may be with the Amiga or the ACA1230 as I have had lockups and sofware failures quite a lot, I changed the hard disk the other week to a 4 GIG CF one the other week, thinking that may have a problem.

I have done the timing fix on the motherboard and I am using a 300W AT PSU.

I have another Amiga 1200 turning up this week, I think I will hang on until it arrives and try the ACA1230 and CF in that one and do the timing fixes if need be.

mailman · 25 July 2011, 06:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by edimax

I tried running BASS under ScummVM and got grapical corruption on the main ScummVM window and the system either locks up or reboots itself after a short while of play.

Because ScummVM requires VGA version of the game (AFAIR). You tried running regular Amiga version which I don't think is supported by Scumm.

Quote:

I think the problem may be with the Amiga or the ACA1230 as I have had lockups and sofware failures quite a lot, I changed the hard disk the other week to a 4 GIG CF one the other week, thinking that may have a problem.

Basic question I ask everybody who has problems with WHDLoad and CF. Do you run the game from CF or from HD and which version of WHDLoad do you use? I noticed that many people have problems when running games from CF.

25 July 2011, 10:24

Hi Mailman

I should have been more informative on my last post sorry; I tried ScummVM 030 with the Beneath A Steel Sky CD version from the ScummVM website, with the music off.

I am running the game from Hard Disk, I extract the game from PCMCIA CF to the CF Hard Disk in the Amiga using Dopus.

I am using WHDload 17.0 and have also tried 16.9 both with the same result, it is also registered.

The hard disk is also set to max transfer 1fe00 for the three partitions I have.

Thanks for the help

Retro1234 · 25 July 2011, 16:29

Dont know what the noise is with the WHDload version

there is a full install/HDF floating about this is just the CD32 Game installed without WHDload and doesnt need Preloading - But I cant find a link right now.

25 July 2011, 22:47

I found a CD image and and copied the the contents to hard disk and it does work with joystick as the controller and no sounds problems at all.

I also went into the WHDload Beneath A Steel folder on hard disk and into the data folder and ran the steelsky file from there as well and that also works with joystick as the controller.

Think that will do me.

pintcat · 01 July 2012, 21:05

I have this beeping noise too and it seems to be WHDLoad related since it doesn't appear if I start the game directly without WHDLoad. I tried both, the pre-installed pack from WHDownload and a self made install from a CD³² ISO - both with the same result.
It's a great pity actually, because WHDLoad improves the game handling with it's preload and quit function.

FOL · 01 July 2012, 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by pintcat

I have this beeping noise too and it seems to be WHDLoad related since it doesn't appear if I start the game directly without WHDLoad. I tried both, the pre-installed pack from WHDownload and a self made install from a CD³² ISO - both with the same result.
It's a great pity actually, because WHDLoad improves the game handling with it's preload and quit function.

I too am getting this on my brother inlaws a1200. Works fine on mine though.

pintcat · 02 July 2012, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

I too am getting this on my brother inlaws a1200. Works fine on mine though.

Well, then I'm wondering what's the difference between these machines.

Btw.: My hw specs are A1200 with OS3.9, Kick3.9, Blizzard 1260 with 50MHz and 128MB RAM, patches in background are CMQ, SaferPatches, FastWaitBlit, FastExec, FBlit, WBCtrl and BlazeWCP

FOL · 02 July 2012, 14:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by pintcat

Well, then I'm wondering what's the difference between these machines.

Btw.: My hw specs are A1200 with OS3.9, Kick3.9, Blizzard 1260 with 50MHz and 128MB RAM, patches in background are CMQ, SaferPatches, FastWaitBlit, FastExec, FBlit, WBCtrl and BlazeWCP

Im guessing one of the patches.

As my system is simular, but I dont use fblit etc etc as my ks3.9 BB4 contains alot of patches.
Will double check though.

The other system, that has noise, is a stock 1200 with 8MB RAM, using fblit etc etc patches.

EDIT:- Scratch that, just tried again and its the same on my A1200. I must have been using CD32 disc before when I tried it.
I did notice, if you go to inventory bar, the sound goes, then after 3 seconds returns. Very wierd.

pintcat · 02 July 2012, 14:54

Yeah I noticed that too before. Maybe the noise is somehow bound to the sfx which stop too while the inventory bar is on. The music keeps playing fine without noise.

FOL · 02 July 2012, 14:59

Also noticed it preloads, takes all the ram and still os flashes. Think ill stick to cd32 disc,

.

AC/DC HACKER! · 20 January 2019, 06:28

Ahhhh!! Found this thread while seeking a fix.

It also happens with my Amiga 4000 with a CyberStormPPC/060 128MB, BigRamPlus, and 16MB on Motherboard. It's a bug related to the Slave. There is a way around it. My A4000 is not a simple installation of 3.5 because I'm considered a Power User of the time. Lots of stuff since the 80's and 2000's. However, I've been very diligent to keep stuff in very good functioning form. If something didn't function correctly, I made a backup but didn't keep using it.

If you use SysInspector (http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/SysInspector14) or some program to change the priority of RAM installed. As an example, CyberStormPPC's 128MB to less than what's on the Motherboard then the "odd beep" is gone in the game, but the Beeps in the menus before the games are also gone. If you leave the memory priorities alone, then the Beeps in the menus remain, but the *odd beep* in the game is there.

I renamed the A1200 Kick (as called by the Slave) so the A4000 kick would be called, but that didn't change anything. Which makes sense, since they're close enough from a User level.

If you run the game from the WHDLoad install (CD32) directory from ADOS, you might need to use Tude to Reset MMU and disable Cache. "Caches=None MMUReset". Do Not forget to "Assign Libs: Libs".. Then the game, from ADOS should have all the Menu sounds active AND the game won't have the odd beep...but you will notice some slight *pauses* in game play, which keep everything running smooth (game play/audio..).

This is all from my A4000 understanding, and WinUAE A4000 + CSPPC install. I don't have an A1200, but the 2 beasts should remain pretty close to "running" same, the only thing missing are Fast RAM and PPC, zer020/zer040/060 differences.

JOTD should be informed. I've already sent a Bug Report through WHDLoad. Others should also. It's a great game with a twisted sense of humor..and I love/adore/appreciate what JOTD did..but slave does need to be updated.

jotd · 20 January 2019, 09:34

Please next time use Mantis directly: http://mantis.whdload.de

There's 1 bug on BASS, about an access fault late in the game, for italian version...

If you have memory issues with PPC boards, they may be related to whdload rather than the slave itself. Plus I have no way of fixing this if I cannot reproduce it.

Maybe create a mantis issue on whdload itself... because it's very likely that you get the error on other games too. Except if someone can reproduce it with a more standard setup (or even winuae with any settings even JIT on, because that I can check)

AC/DC HACKER! · 20 January 2019, 16:29

I can reproduce it with WinUAE. I have made a bug report, some years ago. If your reply is directed at me specifically. I'm using the English version. Good call, it could be WHDLoad itself rather than Slave. I wondered about that. I've been going backwards in WHDLoad, checking all previous versions than 18.4.

I wondered it if it might be a memory problem with WHDLoad once I realized to change the memory priority. I have made a "standard" A4000 CSPPC install with WinUAE reflecting my real hardware. It was able to produce the same odd beep/buzz. But I deleted it a while ago. I, personally, have not encountered this "sound glitch" with any other game. I have a lot of them...and I've made several WHDLoad installs using the fantastic Workbench (though misspelled, hehe, in the Slave) 3.1.

I'll make a new A4000 CSPPC WinUAE install, confirm again, and post the Config here.

AC/DC HACKER! · 21 January 2019, 01:57

Doing some more checking.. With WinUAE (newer version), and my copy of my A4000 CSPPC's CompactFlash, if I raise Chip RAM to 3MB or higher, the Menu Beeps when clicking an option is silent. I always lower the music volume also (I rarely like In-Game music..as it's distracting). But the odd beep sound is gone through the beginning of the game. Returned Chip back to 2MB to continue A4000 testing..

I exited WinUAE, gave it a moment to clear then ran it again. Then choose Quick-Start A4000 CSPPC. Added my CF system HF and disabled booting, in floppy section I inserted my Workbench 3.1 ADF. The started emulation. After floppy Workbench 3.1 is loaded, I added an assign..

Assign C: RAM: Add - Then did the same to Devs:.

Then I copied WHDLoad from my CF's C: to RAM, and CF's Devs:Kickst#?/ all.

Then I started the game through the funky looking Icon, haha. Since NewIcons aren't part of 3.1...you know.

The 2 screens show, then the game menu along with the music as per normal. Clicking on settings icons the normal beep happens. Once the game starts, the machine's "clunk" sound file is still replaces by the odd buzzing sound. It doesn't matter if the music is active, lower to any degree or off, the buzzing is still there.

I have created a general OS 3.5 HD also with WarpOS installed. WHDLoad for C: copied, and Picasso 2.0 using UAEGfx for now. Same thing. I'm thinking WHDLoad as you suggested.

I repeated the same thing with my real A4000's floppy..same thing. Let me know if you need anything further. Glad to help.

jotd · 21 January 2019, 13:55

another thing that would help is to create a video of your config (amiga or emu) with the bug occurring, and youtube it.

could be a difference of speed in the RAM which triggers an audio DMA bug on bad code. Already seen this kind of thing (and fixed) many times.

23 July 2011, 23:35	#1
edimax Posts: n/a	Beneath a steel sky CD32 version whdload Hi I'm having a problem with BASS, every time I play it from the beginning the intro works perfect and the game starts but with a continuous beeping noise, it goes after I leave the first room and comes back when I re-enter it, but its driving me crazy, just wondering if anyone else has had similar problems. The Voice and music play fine through the beeping. Every other Amiga whdlaod seems fine. My Amiga spec is A1200 1D1 3.0 ROM ACA1230/42 4 GIG CF HDD Classic WB Full Thanks

20 January 2019, 06:28	#16
AC/DC HACKER! Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth Posts: 886	Ahhhh!! Found this thread while seeking a fix. It also happens with my Amiga 4000 with a CyberStormPPC/060 128MB, BigRamPlus, and 16MB on Motherboard. It's a bug related to the Slave. There is a way around it. My A4000 is not a simple installation of 3.5 because I'm considered a Power User of the time. Lots of stuff since the 80's and 2000's. However, I've been very diligent to keep stuff in very good functioning form. If something didn't function correctly, I made a backup but didn't keep using it. If you use SysInspector (http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/SysInspector14) or some program to change the priority of RAM installed. As an example, CyberStormPPC's 128MB to less than what's on the Motherboard then the "odd beep" is gone in the game, but the Beeps in the menus before the games are also gone. If you leave the memory priorities alone, then the Beeps in the menus remain, but the odd beep in the game is there. I renamed the A1200 Kick (as called by the Slave) so the A4000 kick would be called, but that didn't change anything. Which makes sense, since they're close enough from a User level. If you run the game from the WHDLoad install (CD32) directory from ADOS, you might need to use Tude to Reset MMU and disable Cache. "Caches=None MMUReset". Do Not forget to "Assign Libs: Libs".. Then the game, from ADOS should have all the Menu sounds active AND the game won't have the odd beep...but you will notice some slight pauses in game play, which keep everything running smooth (game play/audio..). This is all from my A4000 understanding, and WinUAE A4000 + CSPPC install. I don't have an A1200, but the 2 beasts should remain pretty close to "running" same, the only thing missing are Fast RAM and PPC, zer020/zer040/060 differences. JOTD should be informed. I've already sent a Bug Report through WHDLoad. Others should also. It's a great game with a twisted sense of humor..and I love/adore/appreciate what JOTD did..but slave does need to be updated. Last edited by AC/DC HACKER!; 20 January 2019 at 06:39.

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24 July 2011, 08:36	#2
mailman Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Warsaw/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 2,431	How much RAM do you have?

24 July 2011, 15:33	#3
edimax Posts: n/a	I have 2MB Chip Ram and 64MB Fast Ram. The game does take a little while to start, but I expect that, being the size it is. Also I have now installed ScummVM and I am going to give that a try today

24 July 2011, 21:22	#4
mailman Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Warsaw/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 2,431	Corrupted files come to my mind. If you run the game without WHDLoad, does it happen the same?

24 July 2011, 22:57	#5
edimax Posts: n/a	I got the beneath a steel sky cd32 version from KillerGorilla's site, I dont have the disc, I do have the floppy version and that works, obviously with no speech. I tried running BASS under ScummVM and got grapical corruption on the main ScummVM window and the system either locks up or reboots itself after a short while of play. I think the problem may be with the Amiga or the ACA1230 as I have had lockups and sofware failures quite a lot, I changed the hard disk the other week to a 4 GIG CF one the other week, thinking that may have a problem. I have done the timing fix on the motherboard and I am using a 300W AT PSU. I have another Amiga 1200 turning up this week, I think I will hang on until it arrives and try the ACA1230 and CF in that one and do the timing fixes if need be.

25 July 2011, 10:24	#7
edimax Posts: n/a	Hi Mailman I should have been more informative on my last post sorry; I tried ScummVM 030 with the Beneath A Steel Sky CD version from the ScummVM website, with the music off. I am running the game from Hard Disk, I extract the game from PCMCIA CF to the CF Hard Disk in the Amiga using Dopus. I am using WHDload 17.0 and have also tried 16.9 both with the same result, it is also registered. The hard disk is also set to max transfer 1fe00 for the three partitions I have. Thanks for the help

25 July 2011, 16:29	#8
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,782	Dont know what the noise is with the WHDload version there is a full install/HDF floating about this is just the CD32 Game installed without WHDload and doesnt need Preloading - But I cant find a link right now.

25 July 2011, 22:47	#9
edimax Posts: n/a	I found a CD image and and copied the the contents to hard disk and it does work with joystick as the controller and no sounds problems at all. I also went into the WHDload Beneath A Steel folder on hard disk and into the data folder and ran the steelsky file from there as well and that also works with joystick as the controller. Think that will do me.

01 July 2012, 21:05	#10
pintcat Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Berlin/Germany Posts: 226	I have this beeping noise too and it seems to be WHDLoad related since it doesn't appear if I start the game directly without WHDLoad. I tried both, the pre-installed pack from WHDownload and a self made install from a CD³² ISO - both with the same result. It's a great pity actually, because WHDLoad improves the game handling with it's preload and quit function.

02 July 2012, 14:54	#14
pintcat Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Berlin/Germany Posts: 226	Yeah I noticed that too before. Maybe the noise is somehow bound to the sfx which stop too while the inventory bar is on. The music keeps playing fine without noise.

02 July 2012, 14:59	#15
FOL PSPUAE DEV Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wales / UK Age: 45 Posts: 6,012	Also noticed it preloads, takes all the ram and still os flashes. Think ill stick to cd32 disc, .

20 January 2019, 09:34	#17
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,229	Please next time use Mantis directly: http://mantis.whdload.de There's 1 bug on BASS, about an access fault late in the game, for italian version... If you have memory issues with PPC boards, they may be related to whdload rather than the slave itself. Plus I have no way of fixing this if I cannot reproduce it. Maybe create a mantis issue on whdload itself... because it's very likely that you get the error on other games too. Except if someone can reproduce it with a more standard setup (or even winuae with any settings even JIT on, because that I can check)

20 January 2019, 16:29	#18
AC/DC HACKER! Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth Posts: 886	I can reproduce it with WinUAE. I have made a bug report, some years ago. If your reply is directed at me specifically. I'm using the English version. Good call, it could be WHDLoad itself rather than Slave. I wondered about that. I've been going backwards in WHDLoad, checking all previous versions than 18.4. I wondered it if it might be a memory problem with WHDLoad once I realized to change the memory priority. I have made a "standard" A4000 CSPPC install with WinUAE reflecting my real hardware. It was able to produce the same odd beep/buzz. But I deleted it a while ago. I, personally, have not encountered this "sound glitch" with any other game. I have a lot of them...and I've made several WHDLoad installs using the fantastic Workbench (though misspelled, hehe, in the Slave) 3.1. I'll make a new A4000 CSPPC WinUAE install, confirm again, and post the Config here.

21 January 2019, 01:57	#19
AC/DC HACKER! Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Earth Posts: 886	Doing some more checking.. With WinUAE (newer version), and my copy of my A4000 CSPPC's CompactFlash, if I raise Chip RAM to 3MB or higher, the Menu Beeps when clicking an option is silent. I always lower the music volume also (I rarely like In-Game music..as it's distracting). But the odd beep sound is gone through the beginning of the game. Returned Chip back to 2MB to continue A4000 testing.. I exited WinUAE, gave it a moment to clear then ran it again. Then choose Quick-Start A4000 CSPPC. Added my CF system HF and disabled booting, in floppy section I inserted my Workbench 3.1 ADF. The started emulation. After floppy Workbench 3.1 is loaded, I added an assign.. Assign C: RAM: Add - Then did the same to Devs:. Then I copied WHDLoad from my CF's C: to RAM, and CF's Devs:Kickst#?/ all. Then I started the game through the funky looking Icon, haha. Since NewIcons aren't part of 3.1...you know. The 2 screens show, then the game menu along with the music as per normal. Clicking on settings icons the normal beep happens. Once the game starts, the machine's "clunk" sound file is still replaces by the odd buzzing sound. It doesn't matter if the music is active, lower to any degree or off, the buzzing is still there. I have created a general OS 3.5 HD also with WarpOS installed. WHDLoad for C: copied, and Picasso 2.0 using UAEGfx for now. Same thing. I'm thinking WHDLoad as you suggested. I repeated the same thing with my real A4000's floppy..same thing. Let me know if you need anything further. Glad to help.

21 January 2019, 13:55	#20
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,229	another thing that would help is to create a video of your config (amiga or emu) with the bug occurring, and youtube it. could be a difference of speed in the RAM which triggers an audio DMA bug on bad code. Already seen this kind of thing (and fixed) many times.

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