Blizzard PPC & BVision question

Charlie · 30 October 2007, 22:58

No doubt a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway.

Is it possible by any means to squeeze these two into a standard-ish desktop case..?

Every such system I've seen has been towerized, no doubt for sound reasons... but though I may be interested in acquiring these boards not at the expense of ditching the desktop case.

If this is even remotely feasible does anyone have a good photo of this combination in-situ to give me an idea of the likely obstacles.

Thanks.

( this could be my plan 'B' solution for a lack of RTG if I continue to have hardware sourcing problems with plan 'A' )

ppill · 30 October 2007, 23:03

It's been done. I remember reading about it in a Polish mag (PPC+BVision+FastATA).

keropi · 30 October 2007, 23:03

yes, I have seen pics on amiga.org gallery with a 1200D that has a bppc+bvision inside... infact the bvision is designed to fit the standar case!
BUT
things get way too hot and dangerous....

EDIT: Look here! -> http://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum....php?uid=14265

Charlie · 30 October 2007, 23:29

Many thanks - not such a dumb idea then

@keropi:
Thanks for the link - most useful photo's.
Is it my imagination or is there no socket riser under that FastATA for BVision clearance?
I hope mine's as bendy as that! ( fnar, fnar )

Heat & power won't be a problem: I've been known to do a bit of modding in my time...

keropi · 30 October 2007, 23:35

ELBOX (and by extend amigakit.com) sells a "BVISION KIT" for use with FastATA, I have used it my self... it is basically 2 kickstart rom sockets (so the roms/fastata is higher and bvision under it) and a more lengthy cable that connects the 2 fastATA pcb's...

alexh · 31 October 2007, 00:35

Using a revision 6, E41J, 060 will cut the heat down a bit.

adonay · 31 October 2007, 11:07

Hi i used 2 setups internally with both bppc\bvision and i will not reccomend you do. The bvision is to tight under the fastata something wich is not good made one of my cards ram chips melt ... The best is to stick to tower or drop the bvision . Ofcource it seemd kick arse at the moment using the most maxed out system in a desktop case but in the end i had problems with heat buildup.

Charlie · 31 October 2007, 11:22

Thanks for all the helpful replies

TBH the above is plan 'B' if I can't make plan 'A' work. Call me a glutton for punishment but for me towerising my A1200 is not an option...

@alexh: I really must take a close look @ my '060 - it would be an amazing stroke of luck, but if I already had a rev 6, E41J...
...hmmm, wonder if I overdid the superglue on the heatsink..?

amigarobbo · 31 October 2007, 23:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

yes, I have seen pics on amiga.org gallery with a 1200D that has a bppc+bvision inside... infact the bvision is designed to fit the standar case!
BUT
things get way too hot and dangerous....

EDIT: Look here! -> http://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum....php?uid=14265

that look's horrific! In a good way, but I'll think I'll stick with a 68030 chip to be honest!

Does a nonPPC 68060 based accelerators run okay in a wedge? Is it hotter +more power hungry than a '30?

cv643d · 01 November 2007, 00:07

Even if you run a low heat 060 chip the GFX card will cook your A1200.

Dont do it man, its not worth it. It is possible but the result will be ugly and a gamble with 500+ euro hardware.

Smiley · 01 November 2007, 04:05

Just scrap the wedge case and mount it in a vacuum cleaner or something. Amiga folk seem to love to massacre Amigas into weird/crappy housings.

Anyone else think spray painting 1200s black, really does NOT look good?

Charlie · 01 November 2007, 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smiley

Just scrap the wedge case and mount it in a vacuum cleaner or something. Amiga folk seem to love to massacre Amigas into weird/crappy housings.

Anyone else think spray painting 1200s black, really does NOT look good?

Ho, ho!
I've got two A1200 projects on the boil @ present:
-A how 'high-end' can an A1200 be & still fit in the (nearly) original case?
and
-A study in utterly 'tasteless moddage'. I'm sure you'll love that one!

( BTW damn Plasticote to hell for their crappy paint! )

@amigarobbo:
AFAIA: 68k CPU's get hotter the higher up the range they are & the higher the clock used.
The '060 is the partial exception in that the core voltage was reduced & *I think* so was the transistor count compared to the '040.
In other words a fast '040 is the hottest chip, but the '060 generally runs rather cooler probably in the ballpark of an '030.
( This has not stopped me putting a heatsink on mine though )

orange · 07 November 2007, 14:43

me too; is it necessary to remove metal shielding to fit bvision?
I've heard that you need to connect extra power on floppy connector, is it really necessary?

Charlie · 08 November 2007, 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by orange

me too; is it necessary to remove metal shielding to fit bvision?
I've heard that you need to connect extra power on floppy connector, is it really necessary?

Correct on both counts.

BTW:
Welcome to the EAB

alexh · 08 November 2007, 10:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie

...hmmm, wonder if I overdid the superglue on the heatsink..?

Superglue? I hope you mean thermal compound. Superglue is an insulator.

Charlie · 08 November 2007, 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Superglue? I hope you mean thermal compound. Superglue is an insulator.

Never fear old chap!
Though my three best modding-friends are:
Messiur Dremmel.
Loccy PowerGrab.
and
Gellie SuperGlue.

I've also been known to hang about with:
Arte Silver.
and
Herr Cool (laboratory liquid pro)

FWIW:
Good thermal compound carefully applied; and if there is no other convenient way a small drop of superglue on two opposite corners where the heatsink meets the chip.
Plenty of pressure until the glue dries...
...that way heatsink securely attached without any glue between the two. Hopefully using v little glue means I can get it off again if needed. (Often true

)

My thanks for your concern.

Zetr0 · 08 November 2007, 14:38

my personal favourite

Thermal Adhesive Tape

Maplin should get some stock in the next day or so, there system is down (again) at the moment but this is a damn handy product...

I will say though, 060's hardly put out any heat, an 060@50 on solid hardly felt more than warm the last time i tested it. (imagine 2 hour anim render) this is without any active/passive cooling.

However i will say this was in a tower.... although there was no circulation theres still a much sizable area for heat dissipation compared to the A1200 chassis...

Jope · 08 November 2007, 14:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlie

Good thermal compound carefully applied; and if there is no other convenient way a small drop of superglue on two opposite corners where the heatsink meets the chip.
Plenty of pressure until the glue dries...
...that way heatsink securely attached without any glue between the two. Hopefully using v little glue means I can get it off again if needed. (Often true

)

ME TOO!

I think it's a great way to mount the heatsinks. Just don't use too much glue or silicon paste.

Charlie · 08 November 2007, 19:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jope

...Just don't use too much glue or silicon paste.

Yes, that's the tricky bit.

orange · 09 November 2007, 09:07

I also use thermal adhesive tape. unfortunately its very hard to find it here.
I don't see why it is necessary to remove the shielding, bvision seems to fit nicely. Can it cause short circuit?

BTW, unfortunately, because of one small component, 40x40mm cooler cannot be installed on Permedia chip at least not without chopping.

30 October 2007, 22:58	#1
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	Blizzard PPC & BVision question No doubt a dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. Is it possible by any means to squeeze these two into a standard-ish desktop case..? Every such system I've seen has been towerized, no doubt for sound reasons... but though I may be interested in acquiring these boards not at the expense of ditching the desktop case. If this is even remotely feasible does anyone have a good photo of this combination in-situ to give me an idea of the likely obstacles. Thanks. ( this could be my plan 'B' solution for a lack of RTG if I continue to have hardware sourcing problems with plan 'A' )

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30 October 2007, 23:03	#2
ppill CON: artist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Poland Age: 43 Posts: 1,250	It's been done. I remember reading about it in a Polish mag (PPC+BVision+FastATA).

30 October 2007, 23:03	#3
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	yes, I have seen pics on amiga.org gallery with a 1200D that has a bppc+bvision inside... infact the bvision is designed to fit the standar case! BUT things get way too hot and dangerous.... EDIT: Look here! -> http://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum....php?uid=14265

30 October 2007, 23:29	#4
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	Many thanks - not such a dumb idea then @keropi: Thanks for the link - most useful photo's. Is it my imagination or is there no socket riser under that FastATA for BVision clearance? I hope mine's as bendy as that! ( fnar, fnar ) Heat & power won't be a problem: I've been known to do a bit of modding in my time...

30 October 2007, 23:35	#5
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	ELBOX (and by extend amigakit.com) sells a "BVISION KIT" for use with FastATA, I have used it my self... it is basically 2 kickstart rom sockets (so the roms/fastata is higher and bvision under it) and a more lengthy cable that connects the 2 fastATA pcb's...

31 October 2007, 00:35	#6
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,342	Using a revision 6, E41J, 060 will cut the heat down a bit.

31 October 2007, 11:07	#7
adonay active amiga 1200 user Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Either Haugesund /Norway or Vaxjø Sweden Posts: 220	Hi i used 2 setups internally with both bppc\bvision and i will not reccomend you do. The bvision is to tight under the fastata something wich is not good made one of my cards ram chips melt ... The best is to stick to tower or drop the bvision . Ofcource it seemd kick arse at the moment using the most maxed out system in a desktop case but in the end i had problems with heat buildup.

31 October 2007, 11:22	#8
Charlie . . Mouse . . Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 55 Posts: 1,792	Thanks for all the helpful replies TBH the above is plan 'B' if I can't make plan 'A' work. Call me a glutton for punishment but for me towerising my A1200 is not an option... @alexh: I really must take a close look @ my '060 - it would be an amazing stroke of luck, but if I already had a rev 6, E41J... ...hmmm, wonder if I overdid the superglue on the heatsink..?

01 November 2007, 00:07	#10
cv643d Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 762	Even if you run a low heat 060 chip the GFX card will cook your A1200. Dont do it man, its not worth it. It is possible but the result will be ugly and a gamble with 500+ euro hardware.

01 November 2007, 04:05	#11
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,350	Just scrap the wedge case and mount it in a vacuum cleaner or something. Amiga folk seem to love to massacre Amigas into weird/crappy housings. Anyone else think spray painting 1200s black, really does NOT look good?

07 November 2007, 14:43	#13
orange Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Belgrade Posts: 567	me too; is it necessary to remove metal shielding to fit bvision? I've heard that you need to connect extra power on floppy connector, is it really necessary?

08 November 2007, 14:38	#17
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	my personal favourite Thermal Adhesive Tape Maplin should get some stock in the next day or so, there system is down (again) at the moment but this is a damn handy product... I will say though, 060's hardly put out any heat, an 060@50 on solid hardly felt more than warm the last time i tested it. (imagine 2 hour anim render) this is without any active/passive cooling. However i will say this was in a tower.... although there was no circulation theres still a much sizable area for heat dissipation compared to the A1200 chassis...

09 November 2007, 09:07	#20
orange Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Belgrade Posts: 567	I also use thermal adhesive tape. unfortunately its very hard to find it here. I don't see why it is necessary to remove the shielding, bvision seems to fit nicely. Can it cause short circuit? BTW, unfortunately, because of one small component, 40x40mm cooler cannot be installed on Permedia chip at least not without chopping.

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