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Old 15 June 2009, 21:45   #21
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lol without commissioning a MORI poll, alexh may not be 100% to the nth degree correct.
However he has been watching the scene for at least the three years that i have been posting here.
In this watch one, do one, teach one culture, he is a feckin Jedi Master!!
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Old 15 June 2009, 21:50   #22
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I want poll!
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Old 15 June 2009, 22:26   #23
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C`mon then, do a poll - would be very interesting !
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@skatebind: alexh is displaying what's commonly called an opinion. It's not a PhD thesis, it's an opinion. Anyone who demands FACT, and uses CAPITAL LETTERS, is -in my opinion - sort of missing the point

It seems to me that amiga prices are cyclic, particularly when one piece of hardware is decreed to be in vogue because it's thought to be rare, or the best example of its kind, or whatever... I do think Alexh's hypothesis/proposition/whatever is pretty damn good and he's been suggesting it for a while.

Things might get cheaper yet in the recession
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A good example to illustrate chiarks point is this; Since Dimlow started upgrading Apollos to 80mhz 68060 beasts, the prices of Apollo 040s have rocketed...
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chiark, if you read what Alexh had posted at 18:06, then you may realise that it was not I who started to go on about facts/evidence or using captial letters .
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I think that was the irony? No?
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Old 15 June 2009, 23:21   #28
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Old 15 June 2009, 23:35   #29
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If I was going to be anal I would ask for your evidence of all these FACTS.
Ok I was bored, so I thought I would :P

In 2002 the average age 1st time mothers (to married couples) in the UK = 31.0 (It's lower if we want to look at unmarried too!)

In 2006 52% of men over 16 were married

In 2004, 25% of all unmarried men under 60 were co-habiting.

Meaning less than 25% of men choose to live alone!

I could look up 10's of more... but I dont need to, cos everyone has mates and they'll tell you...

Basically if you live in the UK, you're in your mid 30's you are more likely to be living with your partner and have at least one child.
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I think we all agree the prices on ebay are mad
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Old 16 June 2009, 00:01   #31
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90% of ebay prices are absolutely off the wall.

Alexh:

lets say 50% of 100 men who are married leaves 50 men left, now 25% of those unmarried men are co-habiting which is 12.5 men.

so take away the married men and the co-habiting from 100...
50+12.5=62.5
100-62.5=37.5

37.5% of men live alone, not less than 25%

"Meaning less than 25% of men choose to live alone!"
37.5 means more than a 3rd of men are living alone, I suspect they didn't choose to live alone either, like you had said, I certainly haven't. I just thought I should be anal about your small mistake

Some very good facts there, but it doesn't say anything about which of those men own an Amiga or how rich they are, also young people buy amiga stuff too...

Going back to your first post now. Bids on ebay is not an accurate description of how much money amiga stuff is worth, only how much money SOME people are willing to pay for something.

Most a1200 or any other decent amiga usually sells at a high price imho, A500's, A600's and so on are not extactly sort after, since they are not easily upgraded compared to the other models and there are a lot of them out there. That is just an opinion, I could be way off the mark, but I am certainly right about everything else I have said so far , j/k.

BTW, I am only debating this for some casual amusement, I don't wish to prove you wrong or anything, I just think it is a very interesting.

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Old 16 June 2009, 00:58   #32
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Old 16 June 2009, 01:43   #33
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37.5% of men live alone, not less than 25%
Damn, out mathed.

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Some very good facts there, but it doesn't say anything about which of those men own an Amiga
There will be no stats on that so you have to assume an even distribution. Unless you are saying that people who owned home computers in the 90's are sad lonely bachelors

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Bids on ebay is not an accurate description of how much money amiga stuff is worth, only how much money SOME people are willing to pay for something.
Same thing isn't it?

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Most a1200 or any other decent amiga usually sells at a high price imho
£25?? (and that wasn't the cheapest)

What is so strange is that the rarer stuff is getting more and more expensive (as collectors target eBay?) but the "bread n butter" Amiga hardware is getting cheaper n cheaper.

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BTW, I am only debating this for some casual amusement, I don't wish to prove you wrong or anything, I just think it is a very interesting.
I know, and you're helping Iron out the flaws in my theory of life, the universe and Amiga price fluctuations.

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Old 16 June 2009, 02:01   #34
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I am glad to see you are not pissed off with me .

£25!! That is the cheapest setup I have seen so far, it even comes with leads and a CF hard drive. The chap who sold it obviously didn't know its true value or didn't care.

I just wish accelerators would get cheaper . I paid £55 for an 8mb expansion for my a1200, its not even accelerated. I just hope I get lucky and find a bargain at some point...
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£25!! That is the cheapest setup I have seen so far
Probably explains why it only lasted an hour on buy it now.... You wont see many amigas last the full ebay term at that price...
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Most of my Amiga gear was purchased back in 2002 or so (about the time I joined here). Prices for everything in the US have gone up since then quite a bit.

Could be there are just a few Amiga hoarders buying up everything hoping prices go up so they can make some money on ebay.

The people who do buy the gear either want to relive their youth (as mentioned) or try something from the past they never had because they used a different platform (me). Don't expect people growing up today to care about real hardware since they all just EMU, so prices will drop sooner or later as the vast majority of stuff gets dumped.
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Most of my Amiga gear was purchased back in 2002 or so (about the time I joined here). Prices for everything in the US have gone up since then quite a bit.
Currency fluctuations? There was a time in 2007 where I was buying truckloads of retro stuff from US (at medium to high dollar prices) because the dollar was so weak.
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So, what exactly are you selling?
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