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Old 16 November 2007, 08:40   #1
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Analog joystick scaling

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WinUAE seems to pull in the entire range of windows joysticks (2048 or something) which isn't good if you're trying to use them in analog mode, because a lot (most, all?) amiga games that support analog joystick only use 8 bits or less of resolution, and expect 30-150 or so steps of resolution in a typical joystick.

So not only does the joystick hit max value in about a tenth of the joystick's movement range, but if the game doesn't clip the input it hits 255 and wraps around to 0 causing your plane to whip itself violently in the opposite direction if you move the stick too far.

Adjustable input scaling would fix that.

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Old 16 November 2007, 09:45   #2
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I imagine that you use option of joystick calibration system of each game,is it thus?
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Old 16 November 2007, 10:44   #3
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Exactly what is the problem? More details as usual please..

WinUAE internally scales full Windows DirectInput range (-32768 to 32768) to Amiga range (0 to 255, but note that Amiga analog reading can always overflow if read routine is stupid)

I got expected results, full joystick range used. (ps2/xbox pads with analog sticks connected via usb adapter. I don't have "real" analog sticks, PC joystick port is obsolete.)
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Old 16 November 2007, 22:22   #4
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Sure,

I am using:
WinUAE 1.4.4
Generic PlayStation2 configuration USB gamepad (analog sticks)

I assign the analog axis as appropriate in a custom configuration in WinUAE and leave other settings default.

I've tested two analog games so far - A10 Tank Killer 1.5 and JetPilot
In both cases stick down or stick right overflows after only a little movement.

JetPilot actually has a visual autoranging calibration routine which shows that 255 is reached much too early regardless.

I'm pretty sure stupid read routines were common in amiga games: On my real amiga, I used the SmartPort adapter with standard PC joysticks. The SmartPort adapter had scaling pots that you could adjust to get around crappy read routines.

I haven't tested Fighter Duel yet - I remember that game was relatively good about not overflowing on 'real' joysticks from the old days. I will, and then report back.
 
Old 17 November 2007, 21:42   #5
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I tested Jet Pilot demo and XBox360 pad: centered=128, analog stick fully left=0 and fully right=255. (and little less than 255 when near fully right)

Perfect full range

Configuration: default input-panel settings except "X Axis" mapped to "Joy2 Horizontal (Analog)"
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Old 17 November 2007, 22:57   #6
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I've tested more:

I'm running under Vista, if that makes any difference

These sticks are maxing out at part-range even under windows game controller control panel (though they center just fine.) Seems like a bad mechanical design for these pads.

I wasn't able to find any windows utility to show me the actual output of my joystick, numerically

In winUAE, the commercial jetpilot release gives me min 0, max 255, center 128 on both axis. I'll test the demo.

A-10 tank killer 1.5 refuses to activate the analog axis at all, though it recognizes the buttons. I remember this being an issue on a real amiga if the joystick wasn't set up right, but I don't really know why it's doing that here.

Fighter Duel Pro works just fine, except for the partial-range issue which now looks like bad joystick design. But at least it doesn't overflow.

An aminet util called 'anacal' reports my joysticks as min 0, max *256* <- (huh?), center 128.
 
Old 17 November 2007, 23:37   #7
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Tested jetpilot demo:
Jetpilot demo has the calibration screen, and I get the same numbers as the commercial version. However, analog control isn't allowed in the demo - only mouse control. So I can't test it.

A-10 tank killer 1.5: I found that if I activate analog joysticks in the game's prefs while holding the joystick closer to the top left corner (smaller values) it does initialize. Of course.. no way to center it like that

Tried other joysticks in my house.. different brands and types. All of them max out at 255 at or before end of range even after a windows calibration, and none of them work any better in the games i mentioned.

I can't be sure, but it really does seem like a lot of games do not like a full 255 range, or maybe there is some overflow right at 255.
 
 


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