EAB/Lemon Super League 2020 Round 1: Hybris & SOTB3 - Page 3

john4p · 25 January 2020, 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko

Shadow of the Beast III : This time only 4 lines are missing in the 1st vial. I'm getting the hang of it and think it's possible to beat Maletoth without losing any energy (but I still need a bit of practice...)

Nice.

Please post a bigger screenshot next time for easier health comparison.

malko · 25 January 2020, 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by mihcael

52,350 - First score in a while, I will be moderating and competing with EAB this year.

Cool

Although the most important thing is to participate, Lemon has a little revenge on her hands

, so we have an big mountain in front of us. They have more participants, thus we need to score higher with less people

Quote:

Originally Posted by john4p

Nice.

Please post a bigger screenshot next time for easier health comparison.

Thanks john. I am waiting yours

The 50% reduction that is applied is made with "no interpolation". Thus size does not matter as it's always 1:1 pixel perfect. But I think of it, maybe you want to avoid zooming, so OK, I will do next time.

john4p · 25 January 2020, 22:12

Ah okay, then there's really no need to enlarge it.

arcanist · 26 January 2020, 19:52

4,100 = 2,600 + 1,500

The ball puzzle took me longer to figure out than it should have.

malko · 26 January 2020, 20:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko

[...] I'm getting the hang of it and think it's possible to beat Maletoth without losing any energy (but I still need a bit of practice...)

[...]

There is at least one time Maletoth touches me (while I give him the 20 strokes). 4 is my best so far then.

arcanist · 27 January 2020, 03:53

I spent a few hours working on the fourth world but couldn't get past the last door. I looked up the solution and... wtf.

I even tried replicating it, knowing the solution, and it wasn't easy. I'll tap out there!

john4p · 27 January 2020, 19:55

Just for reference - this is the current "high score" by malko that one has to beat (or equal) to get maximum points:

malko · 27 January 2020, 20:42

It's coming. Slowly, but it's coming...
Only three lines missing this time

capehorn · 28 January 2020, 00:22

Hybris: 443,375

I think my first go at this last week may have been better, but I forgot to save it.

malko · 28 January 2020, 00:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by capehorn

Hybris: 443,375 [...]I think my first go at this last week may have been better, but I forgot to save it.

As soon as you get how to use the ship armour as a shield, the game begins to be easier. I am sure you can manage to make a better score

Quote:

Originally Posted by john4p

Just for reference - this is the current "high score" by malko that one has to beat (or equal) to get maximum points [...]

I had another go and changed the way I attacked Maletoth and... succeeded in killing him without being touched

. Unfortunately, in the moment of joy, I forgot to press the print-screen

. I will try to do it again tomorrow as now it's time for a rest

john4p · 28 January 2020, 19:29

Very, very good malko!

Sure you'll be able to repeat this.

malko · 29 January 2020, 08:20

Yeah, will try

Yesterday I didn't play (got a terrible cold - so was happy with a quiet evening).

Quote:

Originally Posted by john4p

It's really annoying having to play through the whole game to get a chance to practice the boss-fight.
Because of that I'm now letting Maletoth kill me when I take damage - that way I get to practice the fight 3 times.

I am with you. But I have a tip for you

Instead of letting Maletoth Killing you (to train), press the "help" key.
This tip can be used everywhere in the game if you get stuck

john4p · 29 January 2020, 10:42

Ah, that's very handy and changes everything. Should be easy to figure out his movement patterns now. Thank you.

Should have read the manual better that I posted myself on page 1.

Get well soon!

@all: Of course this inbuilt retry-function is only allowed for practicing.

lifeschool · 29 January 2020, 17:30

Yes just to confirm that final scores made with 'retries', 'continues', or 'free help trainers' are not allowed, even if they are built into the game itself.

I didnt know about the in-game helps in SOTB, but as I had to follow longplays each single step of the way, with frustrating all-or-nothing puzzles, Im not sure it would have made the game any easier to get through.

For Hybris, the player can press the space bar on the title screen to review the trainer options. All of these changes are banned as part of the compo, and they would be of little use to train, because 1) scores wouldnt count as a competition score, a 2) even if you trained for hard mode, you'd still have to loop the game 2 times and get back to the hard mode, to get the scores.

john4p · 29 January 2020, 19:07

Okay, you keep your current health and lives when retrying so it's not actually unlimited retries against Maletoth. But still very useful for practicing.

Managed to beat him without losing health now:

malko · 29 January 2020, 22:36

^ Well done John : great

!!!
Yes, this "HELP" tip is most that welcome to train to beat Maletoth.
I think I am a bit faster than you in killing Maletoth. I will give a go and record my moves (I avoid his attacks with different placements than on your video) and we will compare.
Now you have to play again to have three full lives at the end of the game to join me on the 1st place of the podium

malko · 30 January 2020, 01:20

Shadow of the Beast : 7'500 & full energy/health

john4p · 30 January 2020, 19:26

Well done, congratz!

Took almost 19 days to get a perfect play of this - Beast III proved to be a great fit for this competition.

john4p · 30 January 2020, 21:05

First try today:

Having beat this with full health felt very rewarding. The only Amiga gaming achievements that felt more rewarding to me were beating Beast II (without full health), Lotus hard mode and SuperCars I.

malko · 30 January 2020, 22:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by john4p

First try today:
[...]

Excellent John ! You made it !

Quote:

Originally Posted by john4p

[...] Having beat this with full health felt very rewarding. The only Amiga gaming achievements that felt more rewarding to me were beating Beast II (without full health), Lotus hard mode and SuperCars I.

For myself, this episode is really too easy. SotB II & especially SotB I are far more harder. Here, some puzzles excepted, only Maletoth may be an issue for some players. Anyway, I have to say that after playing it as many times as I did for this compo, I find the background gfx really beautiful (contrary to my first impression BitD). Regarding the hero, well... I still find that he's ridiculous without t-shirt, with his backpack and his hat...

And if you look at my last screenshot, it looks like he is wearing a "moustache"

. Anyway, I follow you. A perfect game for the compo

!

29 January 2020, 10:42	#53
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	Ah, that's very handy and changes everything. Should be easy to figure out his movement patterns now. Thank you. Should have read the manual better that I posted myself on page 1. Get well soon! @all: Of course this inbuilt retry-function is only allowed for practicing. Last edited by john4p; 29 January 2020 at 13:03.

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25 January 2020, 22:12	#43
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	Ah okay, then there's really no need to enlarge it.

26 January 2020, 19:52	#44
arcanist Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Austin, TX Age: 41 Posts: 409	4,100 = 2,600 + 1,500 The ball puzzle took me longer to figure out than it should have.

27 January 2020, 03:53	#46
arcanist Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Austin, TX Age: 41 Posts: 409	I spent a few hours working on the fourth world but couldn't get past the last door. I looked up the solution and... wtf. I even tried replicating it, knowing the solution, and it wasn't easy. I'll tap out there!

27 January 2020, 19:55	#47
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	Just for reference - this is the current "high score" by malko that one has to beat (or equal) to get maximum points:

27 January 2020, 20:42	#48
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,899	It's coming. Slowly, but it's coming... Only three lines missing this time

28 January 2020, 00:22	#49
capehorn Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 1,794	Hybris: 443,375 I think my first go at this last week may have been better, but I forgot to save it.

28 January 2020, 19:29	#51
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	Very, very good malko! Sure you'll be able to repeat this.

29 January 2020, 17:30	#54
lifeschool Local Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Lancashire, UK Age: 48 Posts: 1,603	Yes just to confirm that final scores made with 'retries', 'continues', or 'free help trainers' are not allowed, even if they are built into the game itself. I didnt know about the in-game helps in SOTB, but as I had to follow longplays each single step of the way, with frustrating all-or-nothing puzzles, Im not sure it would have made the game any easier to get through. For Hybris, the player can press the space bar on the title screen to review the trainer options. All of these changes are banned as part of the compo, and they would be of little use to train, because 1) scores wouldnt count as a competition score, a 2) even if you trained for hard mode, you'd still have to loop the game 2 times and get back to the hard mode, to get the scores.

29 January 2020, 19:07	#55
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	Okay, you keep your current health and lives when retrying so it's not actually unlimited retries against Maletoth. But still very useful for practicing. Managed to beat him without losing health now:

29 January 2020, 22:36	#56
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,899	^ Well done John : great !!! Yes, this "HELP" tip is most that welcome to train to beat Maletoth. I think I am a bit faster than you in killing Maletoth. I will give a go and record my moves (I avoid his attacks with different placements than on your video) and we will compare. Now you have to play again to have three full lives at the end of the game to join me on the 1st place of the podium

30 January 2020, 01:20	#57
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,899	Shadow of the Beast : 7'500 & full energy/health

30 January 2020, 19:26	#58
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	Well done, congratz! Took almost 19 days to get a perfect play of this - Beast III proved to be a great fit for this competition.

30 January 2020, 21:05	#59
john4p Competition Moderator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 4,756	First try today: Having beat this with full health felt very rewarding. The only Amiga gaming achievements that felt more rewarding to me were beating Beast II (without full health), Lotus hard mode and SuperCars I.

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