Terrible Fire Accelerators - Page 117

AJCopland · 31 December 2017, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

I'd like to get this whole thing setup to build automatically when i commit changes. AWS seems expensive for the job. Any suggestions.

Since it's on GitHub is there any way of integrating it with Travis?
https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/getting-started/

I'm guessing not since it's not a supported "language".

plasmab · 31 December 2017, 16:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJCopland

Since it's on GitHub is there any way of integrating it with Travis?

https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/getting-started/

I'm guessing not since it's not a supported "language".

It needs the Xilinx tools. So it needs a x86 Linux box

8 Bit Dreams · 31 December 2017, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

These all work with the latest firmware ... left to right ... 50Mhz, 25mhz, 35mhz, 48mhz. Rev 2, 3, 3, 2 . Some need 1ws others 0ws.

Hi Stephen,
have built next TF card unsing 2k2 resistor networks. Resistor values are: R1 1k, R2 1k, R3 47k
have done further testings -both beta (1&2) FW's are booting to workbench, however:
1. have noticed that TF is clocked to 48.4 instread of 51.8Mhz
2. both beta versions are slower than alpha - giving 7Mips only
3. Frontier doesen't work on beta (1&2) FW, Battletoads and also some other games i have tested - causes several errors on ide, for example: system can not read kickstart from devs:kickstarts/
(all these are loading fine with alpha FW on my setup)

my second card still have 10k resistor networks, and is unable to boot to workbench with beta 1&2 firmwares causing errors on ide
(however it works very nice and fast on alpha)

at this point i'd like to ask You:
1. how did You got it working on 50Mhz?
2. what resistor networks are used on Your five cards? did You used the same or some cards have different resistence?

utri007 · 31 December 2017, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by AJCopland

Since it's on GitHub is there any way of integrating it with Travis?
https://docs.travis-ci.com/user/getting-started/

I'm guessing not since it's not a supported "language".

Some projects I follow wich uses github uses jenkins to auto build.

Netsurf
ReWarp
Rewarp3D

https://jenkins-ci.org/
https://sonnet.uguu.waw.pl/jenkins/
https://github.com/Sakura-IT/ReWarp3DPPC

keith · 31 December 2017, 23:33

Just want to say big shout out to you all wishing you all a happy new year! Plus a massive shout out to Plasmab making 2017 So enjoyable, a massive thanks for all your blood, sweat and tears, all the best for 2018! & lots more Terrible fire!

plasmab · 01 January 2018, 00:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

Hi Stephen,
1. have noticed that TF is clocked to 48.4 instread of 51.8Mhz

I dont understand this? The CPU is clocked at the speed you clock it at.

Quote:

2. both beta versions are slower than alpha - giving 7Mips only

Impossible. The only change between alpha and beta 1 was a change to the IDE write cycle only. I had a stupid error with the WAIT signal. I can have all the versions in source control so i can diff them. I would bet its slower than the older firmwares though.

Quote:

3. Frontier doesen't work on beta (1&2) FW, Battletoads and also some other games i have tested - causes several errors on ide, for example: system can not read kickstart from devs:kickstarts/
(all these are loading fine with alpha FW on my setup)

my second card still have 10k resistor networks, and is unable to boot to workbench with beta 1&2 firmwares causing errors on ide
(however it works very nice and fast on alpha)

Frontier works fine for me. But i have started seeing the yellow screen issue. 4K7 is the highest resistor network value i ever tried.

Quote:

at this point i'd like to ask You:
1. how did You got it working on 50Mhz?

I have a card running at 50Mhz. Rev 2. The green one in that pile. I just ran the firmware nothing else. I always run everything with diagrom first to check the CIA timing, IRQ and ram access.

Quote:

2. what resistor networks are used on Your five cards? did You used the same or some cards have different resistence?

Some are the original 4K7 ones.. Some are 1K.

plasmab · 01 January 2018, 00:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by utri007

Some projects I follow wich uses github uses jenkins to auto build.

Netsurf
ReWarp
Rewarp3D

https://jenkins-ci.org/
https://sonnet.uguu.waw.pl/jenkins/
https://github.com/Sakura-IT/ReWarp3DPPC

Yeah its not the CI bit i have an issue with. I'm a professional in this area. Its getting a hosted machine that can run the Xilinx tool suite for a reasonable monthly price. Basically i need the equiv of an AWS EC2 instance.

plasmab · 01 January 2018, 00:44

For those who had issues with faster SRAM... I think I have the issue captured here.

CLK
AS20
STERM
*DTACK* - From previous Amiga Cycle.... ouch...

8 Bit Dreams · 01 January 2018, 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

I dont understand this? The CPU is clocked at the speed you clock it at.

Impossible. The only change between alpha and beta 1 was a change to the IDE write cycle only. I had a stupid error with the WAIT signal. I can have all the versions in source control so i can diff them. I would bet its slower than the older firmwares though.

https://picload.org/view/ddalprpa/20...43_li.jpg.html
while alpha does:
https://picload.org/view/ddalprci/20...55.16.jpg.html
nice and smooth

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Frontier works fine for me. But i have started seeing the yellow screen issue. 4K7 is the highest resistor network value i ever tried.

Did You tried to boot it from WHDLoad?
https://picload.org/view/ddalprca/20...54.12.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalprcl/20...54.38.jpg.html

Following pics are taken from beta2:
https://picload.org/view/ddalprcw/20...56.45.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalprii/20...48.48.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalpriw/20...49.06.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalprpr/20...49.21.jpg.html
unsure what causes these errors, the only difference now are these resistor networks, as i have 2k2 instread of 1k You used. Have ordered them and let You know the difference.

Further testings on A2000:
i can not explain how, but TF530 corrupts the screen of A2000:
https://picload.org/view/ddalprcr/20...53.43.jpg.html

if i remove it and insert stock CPU or another 030 pic remains good:
https://picload.org/view/ddalprpl/20...53.21.jpg.html
need to test it further, this can be propably caused by my 4Mb Fastmem
i wish i could provide You more info, unforunnately i am just the man with soldering iron without technical knowledge...
https://picload.org/view/ddalpria/20...47.38.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalprir/20...46.47.jpg.html

plasmab · 01 January 2018, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

https://picload.org/view/ddalprpa/20...43_li.jpg.html
while alpha does:
https://picload.org/view/ddalprci/20...55.16.jpg.html
nice and smooth

Pass. Its the same code.

Quote:

Did You tried to boot it from WHDLoad?
https://picload.org/view/ddalprca/20...54.12.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalprcl/20...54.38.jpg.html

Following pics are taken from beta2:
https://picload.org/view/ddalprcw/20...56.45.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalprii/20...48.48.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalpriw/20...49.06.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalprpr/20...49.21.jpg.html
unsure what causes these errors, the only difference now are these resistor networks, as i have 2k2 instread of 1k You used. Have ordered them and let You know the difference.

Yes. WHDLoad is fine with every game. I'm using 18.2 and i have NoAutoVec set.

Quote:

Further testings on A2000:
i can not explain how, but TF530 corrupts the screen of A2000:
https://picload.org/view/ddalprcr/20...53.43.jpg.html

if i remove it and insert stock CPU or another 030 pic remains good:
https://picload.org/view/ddalprpl/20...53.21.jpg.html
need to test it further, this can be propably caused by my 4Mb Fastmem
i wish i could provide You more info, unforunnately i am just the man with soldering iron without technical knowledge...
https://picload.org/view/ddalpria/20...47.38.jpg.html
https://picload.org/view/ddalprir/20...46.47.jpg.html

A2000 is not something i can support as I dont have one. Dont expect it to work.

plasmab · 02 January 2018, 00:24

The only way i see any issues like the frontier issue you describe is if I have "CPU FASTROM" mode on... please avoid this for now.

EzdineG · 02 January 2018, 02:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

The only way i see any issues like the frontier issue you describe is if I have "CPU FASTROM" mode on... please avoid this for now.

Not interesting at first glance, but:

This is with the most recent of your firmwares. Haven’t tested much on stability, but was able to use Workbench for about 5 mins without issue.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

plasmab · 02 January 2018, 02:49

Yay

EzdineG · 02 January 2018, 02:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Yay

I had meant to quote your "for those of you with faster SRAM" post, but fudged it with my phone.

I don't know if it's actually stable, but I have two of these built just lying around so I thought I'd give it a go. I'll do a little more tomorrow.

plasmab · 02 January 2018, 13:40

I think we have build to build instabilities with the RAM CPLD. It needs more timing constraints. I shall work on this.

Methanoid · 02 January 2018, 16:02

I have huge respect for Steve for designing these boards and fully understand he doesnt want to manufacture these. I watch his YT vids n streams with fascination. But is ANYONE making and selling completed boards? The chances of me soldering anything other than my fingers together is exactly ZERO :-(

alenppc · 02 January 2018, 19:56

Steve, the new firmware is a ridiculously major step forward. Wow, I am impressed. The ISSI ram now works perfectly fine (tested on a rev2). What was causing the issue before?

Also now I am able to run a 25MHz cpu at 33 Mhz (couldn't do it before).

The 16GB sandisk ultra card works.

However, it seems the CPU FASTROM issue ONLY appears when running the system from the 16GB SanDisk ultra. That's weird. It actually seems to work fine when running from the usual 8GB SanDisk Ultra (gonna test a bit more to confirm this).

Well, anyway thank you for this wonderful Christmas present.

@Methanoid, I built and sold about 20 of these, but I decided to stop because people were having issues with installation and were assuming the cards weren't working, while in reality they couldn't solder the INT2 wire properly or would break pins etc. I figured it's too technical for some. It's not exactly plug and play so you still need to be able to solder a bit.

plasmab · 02 January 2018, 20:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by alenppc

Steve, the new firmware is a ridiculously major step forward. Wow, I am impressed. The ISSI ram now works perfectly fine (tested on a rev2). What was causing the issue before?

Also now I am able to run a 25MHz cpu at 33 Mhz (couldn't do it before).

The 16GB sandisk ultra card works.

However, it seems the CPU FASTROM issue ONLY appears when running the system from the 16GB SanDisk ultra. That's weird. It actually seems to work fine when running from the usual 8GB SanDisk Ultra (gonna test a bit more to confirm this).

Well, anyway thank you for this wonderful Christmas present.

@Methanoid, I built and sold about 20 of these, but I decided to stop because people were having issues with installation and were assuming the cards weren't working, while in reality they couldn't solder the INT2 wire properly or would break pins etc. I figured it's too technical for some. It's not exactly plug and play so you still need to be able to solder a bit.

I literally started again with the 68030 manual and the 68000 manual side by side. I had the main logic stuff sorted out it was just cycle mapping between the two bus types.

I also took the Gayle specs and build a separate ata module for the IDE interface. This can get ported over the TF328 very easily.

plasmab · 02 January 2018, 20:55

Ok.. here is what i call RC1 of the firmware ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9gur36dmw...2_RC1.zip?dl=0

It works on everything and i've added code to fix the A2000 autoconfig issue. I verified the issue i saw yesterday rebuilding was that SVN had screwed up a file... long story but my svn server is sulky and commands that had hung suddenly completed during the stream

Please test on A2000 with some ZII cards and let me know.

EDIT: I'll release the source once i comment it a bit more and tidy up the tests.

8 Bit Dreams · 02 January 2018, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Ok.. here is what i call RC1 of the firmware ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9gur36dmw...2_RC1.zip?dl=0

It works on everything and i've added code to fix the A2000 autoconfig issue. I verified the issue i saw yesterday rebuilding was that SVN had screwed up a file... long story but my svn server is sulky and commands that had hung suddenly completed during the stream

Please test on A2000 with some ZII cards and let me know.

EDIT: I'll release the source once i comment it a bit more and tidy up the tests.

Yeah, indeed!
Thank You, Stephen, for Your time and effort. Have catched a cold, was sick and got to bad early, so totally missed Your live stream. Watched it today, tryed beta3 - i viola! Speed is up again, no crashes, Frontier works even with 10k resistor array's placed! (i am glad i have asked You about, cause there was no info to go lower, so i was building all cards with 10k - just as mentioned in the BOM, and i am pretty sure - i am not the oly one

, but now that's sorted). beta3 is pretty stable, indeed, so RC1 is also i assume, will test on A2000 soon

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31 December 2017, 23:33	#2325
keith Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Eastbourne Posts: 88	Just want to say big shout out to you all wishing you all a happy new year! Plus a massive shout out to Plasmab making 2017 So enjoyable, a massive thanks for all your blood, sweat and tears, all the best for 2018! & lots more Terrible fire!

01 January 2018, 00:44	#2328
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	For those who had issues with faster SRAM... I think I have the issue captured here. CLK AS20 STERM DTACK - From previous Amiga Cycle.... ouch...

02 January 2018, 00:24	#2331
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	The only way i see any issues like the frontier issue you describe is if I have "CPU FASTROM" mode on... please avoid this for now.

02 January 2018, 02:49	#2333
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	Yay

02 January 2018, 13:40	#2335
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	I think we have build to build instabilities with the RAM CPLD. It needs more timing constraints. I shall work on this.

02 January 2018, 16:02	#2336
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,873	I have huge respect for Steve for designing these boards and fully understand he doesnt want to manufacture these. I watch his YT vids n streams with fascination. But is ANYONE making and selling completed boards? The chances of me soldering anything other than my fingers together is exactly ZERO :-(

02 January 2018, 19:56	#2337
alenppc Registered User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Age: 44 Posts: 910	Steve, the new firmware is a ridiculously major step forward. Wow, I am impressed. The ISSI ram now works perfectly fine (tested on a rev2). What was causing the issue before? Also now I am able to run a 25MHz cpu at 33 Mhz (couldn't do it before). The 16GB sandisk ultra card works. However, it seems the CPU FASTROM issue ONLY appears when running the system from the 16GB SanDisk ultra. That's weird. It actually seems to work fine when running from the usual 8GB SanDisk Ultra (gonna test a bit more to confirm this). Well, anyway thank you for this wonderful Christmas present. @Methanoid, I built and sold about 20 of these, but I decided to stop because people were having issues with installation and were assuming the cards weren't working, while in reality they couldn't solder the INT2 wire properly or would break pins etc. I figured it's too technical for some. It's not exactly plug and play so you still need to be able to solder a bit.

02 January 2018, 20:55	#2339
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	Ok.. here is what i call RC1 of the firmware ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9gur36dmw...2_RC1.zip?dl=0 It works on everything and i've added code to fix the A2000 autoconfig issue. I verified the issue i saw yesterday rebuilding was that SVN had screwed up a file... long story but my svn server is sulky and commands that had hung suddenly completed during the stream Please test on A2000 with some ZII cards and let me know. EDIT: I'll release the source once i comment it a bit more and tidy up the tests.

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