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Old 14 October 2018, 15:08   #61
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Oh my god it's that guy from the 68030TK thread and your thread.
Yeah.. The cycle will be

amiga2000: I WANT THINGS CHEAP. ITS NOT FAIR THAT I HAVE TO PAY!
everyone: but thats how it is.
amiga2000: I WANT THINGS CHEAP. ITS NOT FAIR THAT I HAVE TO PAY!
everyone: but thats how it is.

Rinse and repeat. I guess its pointless even responding.


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Old 14 October 2018, 15:09   #62
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Why shall I pay 4-5× price in 2018 (1× price = 2008) for retro products? Because the dealers want this? Nooo. In 2025 = 10× price? When does the dealer's 5-10× extra profit end?
As your high school guidance counsellor I recommend a career in petty theft.
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Old 14 October 2018, 15:10   #63
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Why shall I pay 4-5× price in 2018 (1× price = 2008) for retro products? Because the dealers want this? Nooo. In 2025 = 10× price? When does the dealer's 5-10× extra profit end?
LOL.. because they have it and you want it. Its utterly simple. I cannot see why you cant see that.

If you dont pay you go without.

EDIT: Im literally going to do a flowchart diagram of how barter works. Cavemen figured this out thousands of years ago. Why cant you?
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Old 14 October 2018, 15:21   #64
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Approximately 100-200 dealers take advantage of approximately 2000 Commodore+Amiga customers worldwide. Why did the retro community allow the dealers to draw profit from the products????
The products will not become worthless without dealers.



Who knew that there were 100-200 Amiga dealers, they must not be on the internet. More like 5 official dealers, 5 hardware developers (Like the robber baron Plasmab who does not just manufacture boards for free ), you learn something new every day.



Do you happen to work with Salvador from Phake5?
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Old 14 October 2018, 15:31   #65
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This normal economy: I buy a new product (= 1× price, PC, TV, etc.). I sell the product after 10 years (=1/5 price), and I lose money.
This not normal economy: I buy a new product (= 1× price, Amiga turbocard, etc.). I sell the product after 10 years (=5× price), and I reach profit.
The price of the average products (TV, PC, etc.) decreases quickly. Why is the economy not valid for the retro computers?
The used product may not be more expensive, than when they produced it.
The old product goes wrong with bigger chance. The repair expenses rise.
In normal economy: I buy other product (cheaper, than first used product!), if the product goes wrong. The repair is meaningless.

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Old 14 October 2018, 15:47   #66
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This normal economy: I buy a new product (= 1× price, PC, TV, etc.). I sell the product after 10 years (=1/5 price), and I lose money.
This not normal economy: I buy a new product (= 1× price, Amiga turbocard, etc.). I sell the product after 10 years (=5× price), and I reach profit.
The price of the average products (TV, PC, etc.) decreases quickly. Why is the economy not valid for the retro computers?
The used product may not be more expensive, than when they produced it.
The old product goes wrong with bigger chance. The repair expenses rise.
In normal economy: I buy other product (cheaper, than first used product!), if the product goes wrong. The repair is meaningless.
Wrong. Specialist items dont follow this trend.

1.Yacht prices for example. They go up not down.
2. Classic cars.
3. Antiques
4. Collectable Items like baseball cards, toys etc

Retro computing is now on that list firmly.
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Old 14 October 2018, 16:10   #67
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the price only decrease due to the demand is gone yet the supply is huge
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Old 14 October 2018, 18:32   #68
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Wrong. Specialist items dont follow this trend.

1.Yacht prices for example. They go up not down.
2. Classic cars.
3. Antiques
4. Collectable Items like baseball cards, toys etc

Retro computing is now on that list firmly.
Amiga 1200 recapped motherboard + Blizzard PPC 060/50, 210 MHz + PC PSU + Micronik, etc. case + keyboard + IDE-CF + CF card + OS 4.1 + FastATA + etc. = 2000 € in 2018????
2000 € = new super 55 coll OLED 4K TV with 2-3 years warranty!
2000 € = new super gamer laptop!

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Old 14 October 2018, 18:39   #69
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Wrong. Specialist items dont follow this trend.

1.Yacht prices for example. They go up not down.
2. Classic cars.
3. Antiques
4. Collectable Items like baseball cards, toys etc

Retro computing is now on that list firmly.
Precisely.

Because it cannot be replaced with new. The companies are out of business and even if they weren't they're not going to re-release a product from 30 years ago unless they can guarantee that their profits will justify their investment.

This is a bit of an aside, but...

Remember that joystick C64 product that came out a while ago? Jeri Ellsworth designed that (look her up, her scene overlaps ours quite a lot. There are some great long interviews with her, Chuck Peddle and Bill Hurd! Like really interesting, check them out on youtube!). Anyway, I believe a toy company invested in the project not because people wanted it but because they could build it cheaply enough. The same with all the other 'mini' consoles you're seeing lately. They're all 8 bit, right? Because 8 bit is cheap right now. As it happens, the company screwed Jeri over as they were in debt (sound familiar?) and I believe she lost all her share of what was promised to her.

The point being that even when it can be dirt cheap to produce (like these mini's popping up), even then they're either low quality, missing features, or from companies with questionable business practices.

Bottom line - there will never be another new A500, just like there will never be another brand new 1973 Ferrari Daytona - not that I could afford one anyway. Therefore as scarcity increases so does value.

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Honestly he's like a trolling super villain
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The world works reversely. I do not want to pay enormous monies for the retro products. In Hungary the minimum wage net 91000 HUF = 280 €/month! The incomes of 7/10 people 91000-200000 (615 €) HUF only. Is it possible to buy 0,5-1 Apollo 1260 (650 €) card for 1 monthly income only?
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The world works reversely. I do not want to pay enormous monies for the retro products. In Hungary the minimum wage net 91000 HUF = 280 €/month! The incomes of 7/10 people 91000-200000 (615 €) HUF only. Is it possible to buy 0,5-1 Apollo 1260 (650 €) card for 1 monthly income only?
You are like a man who walks into an antique store and demands to buy the oldest item and then complains that it should be cheap because its old. Sorry but no matter how much you complain you cant have the valuable antiques free just because they're old.
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Well said plasmab...
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The whole Commodore-Amiga retro computer business in 2018 (ebay, amibay, forums, facebook, etc.) = 2000 well-off and rich people have fun. I do not enrich the rich dealers longer.
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The whole Commodore-Amiga retro computer business in 2018 (ebay, amibay, forums, facebook, etc.) = 2000 well-off and rich people have fun. I do not enrich the rich dealers longer.
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sounds like you need to move out of your country and move to 1 that pays you more
or give up this nonsense
cause this debate isnt going anywhere
more you complain here isnt changing anything beside how people feel about you here
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I will be a dealer if I cannot buy cheap things. Simple. I sell some things with big profit, I may buy anything from the money. This thing will be mine free.
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This thread is something else I'd get involved but I'd rather do something with a chance of success, like teaching my cat SMD soldering.
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This thread is something else I'd get involved but I'd rather do something with a chance of success, like teaching my cat SMD soldering.

Don't, your cat will charge too high prices and become another dealer.
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Don't, your cat will charge too high prices and become another dealer.
She does have an Apollo 1240 with 060 conversion she's selling for one million dollars
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