A2091 card with A1000

boing_1000 · 29 August 2006, 16:07

I bought an A2091 card with the hopes that I might be able to plug it into my 1000's Zorro slot, anyone know if this will work? If not, then I'll prolly put it up for sale in the Marketplace.

Jope · 31 August 2006, 07:34

You don't have a Zorro slot in your A1000, so the A2091 will not just plug in.

It is possible to create an adapter that translates the A1000/A500 Amigabus connector into a zorro slot, then you will be able to use your card.

Instructions are on aminet hard/hack.

TjLaZer · 31 August 2006, 09:12

If you could find a device called the Slingshot from R&D that will allow the card to be used. But it would be external and unsightly. What you need is a side car memory/Hard Disk controller for the A1000 (which are very rare and expensive) You are better off getting an Amiga 500 or 2000 and going that route. Good luck.

Unknown_K · 31 August 2006, 21:50

The most cost effective solution is to get an A2000 which are plentifull on ebay (just make sure you have a keyboard). I wanted a 590 or GVP controller for my A500 for years, but in the end it was cheaper just to get an A2000HD then to try and buy a working A590.

Smiley · 02 September 2006, 19:54

I doubt he wants to just buy an A2000 when his name is 1000. I hate it when people just say get a different Amiga.

You can get a pheonix 1000 motherboard (which has a zorro slot)

Make an A1000 bus > Zorro adapter

Get something like a slingshot

boing_1000 · 03 September 2006, 02:09

Where would I be able to buy a Slingshot?

Secret Vampire · 03 September 2006, 07:10

As with everything amiga, ebay is your best bet. I don't think I've ever seen one come up on there though, and they're really designed for the A500, which means that the 2091 would be backwards, and mounted halfway up the side of the machine. I'm not sure it had a case either, which would make for something very messy, and dangerous to your A1000.
There are some equally rare full zorro backplanes and expansion boxes for the A1000, check amiga-hardware.com for side expansion slot stuff to get an idea of what to look for. Since the adaptor itself is fairly simple if you don't want to go for a full Zorro II implementation (you don't need to for one slot) you can build your own with a ribbon cable and some connectors. Still messy, but you get some control over how you mount the cards, you could get a box of some kind to install it in, and even hold a CD-ROM. Instructions are somewhere in hard/hack on aminet, I'd suggest getting a sacrificial A500 and some cheap Zorro card (ram boards are good for this since nobody seems to want them) to test it with before plugging it into your A1000 if you do go down that route.
The most elegant way would be a drive interface designed for the A1000, but they suffer from the same problems as most things designed to plug into the A1000, there aren't very many around.

boing_1000 · 03 September 2006, 17:20

Well we have a MicroBotics StarDrive but it's an ST506 and it plugs into this serial port on the back of my StarBoard 2 MB expansion. Not to mention it's being stupid and only being recognized as DH0:BAD at the Workbench screen. Hopefully I'll be able to have it back up and running soon enough; we have the pinout signals for ST506 somehow so we're going to be doing some repair work in the coming days.

Secret Vampire · 11 September 2006, 18:14

Found something on eBay that might be of interest to you, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Buserweiterung...QQcmdZViewItem It's a 3 slot Zorro backplane for the A500, but it should be possible to box it up and use it with the A1000. Also has a slot for A2000 accelerators, and what appear to be an edge connector for A500 expansions, and some ROM sockets.

From reading a mangled babelfish translation, it appears that the cable that comes with it is a DIY job, and to be used at your own risk, the original design was for direct connection to the side expansion of an A500 board installed in a tower. It's one of these http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...gi?HARDID=1385

boing_1000 · 11 September 2006, 19:02

Thanks but I don't want to risk damaging my Amiga with it. I'm not much of a hardware hacker and I don't want to do something stupid. I may end up trying to fix the hard drive I've got.

alexh · 12 September 2006, 01:16

Can you not just plug in an A590 upside down?

boing_1000 · 12 September 2006, 03:59

Actually..I think you could. Good call. Now I just gotta find one of those haha.

Unknown_K · 12 September 2006, 06:34

That will look real nice won't it.

alexh · 12 September 2006, 11:08

No more ugly than a Slingshot Zorro II adapter and a bare 2091?

Take the A590 to bits and it will look the same, but you wont need a Zorro II adapter.

Dont take it to bits, prop the A1000 up on books and it will just look strange.

If I remember correctly it blocks the joystick ports when plugged in. If you have the A1000 right Angle mouse you are ok. There is enough room to add a home made joystick extender.

Also I think it goes back to front rather than upside down.

Oh and I think you may have to trim the metal base plate. Some people have said they could get away without doing it, some dont.

Toni Wilen · 12 September 2006, 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

If I remember correctly it *may* block the joystick port when plugged in, but I dont really know.

Also I think it goes back to front.

Back to front only, NOT upside down.

Jope · 12 September 2006, 13:29

Yes, definitely not upside down, unless you want to fry the Amigabus device AND the A1000 motherboard..

Where does this persistent misoinformation come from? I bet it's those amiga.org people propagating it. ;-)

alexh · 12 September 2006, 15:11

Jope... READ the messages.

I asked a QUESTION... and then a few posts later I qualified it as a half-ANSWER. There was no "misinformation".

On a side note, I cannot believe how many non-keyed interfaces there are on the Amiga, a small notch 3/4 of the way along and voila, no chance of "blowing up" issues.

boing_1000 · 12 September 2006, 23:22

Well I guess my question now is anyone willing to part with an A590? It will go to a good home.

Jope · 13 September 2006, 08:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

I asked a QUESTION... and then a few posts later I qualified it as a half-ANSWER. There was no "misinformation".

If this "upside down" myth is told and retold time and time again, by several individuals, in several threads on EAB and Amiga.org, I classify that as persistent misinformation.

Please chill out, Alexh.. You have been quite fiery in your replies to me lately, and I've never written any of my posts as attacks towards any individual on this forum.. It's very easy to get your "tone of voice" and your original intent lost in these text-only messages.

Sure, you were the one who said it this time, but there have been many before you and that is the reason why I chose my wording.

29 August 2006, 16:07	#1
boing_1000 A1000 Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Eastern USA Age: 37 Posts: 567	A2091 card with A1000 I bought an A2091 card with the hopes that I might be able to plug it into my 1000's Zorro slot, anyone know if this will work? If not, then I'll prolly put it up for sale in the Marketplace.

12 September 2006, 11:08	#14
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,391	No more ugly than a Slingshot Zorro II adapter and a bare 2091? Take the A590 to bits and it will look the same, but you wont need a Zorro II adapter. Dont take it to bits, prop the A1000 up on books and it will just look strange. If I remember correctly it blocks the joystick ports when plugged in. If you have the A1000 right Angle mouse you are ok. There is enough room to add a home made joystick extender. Also I think it goes back to front rather than upside down. Oh and I think you may have to trim the metal base plate. Some people have said they could get away without doing it, some dont. Last edited by alexh; 12 September 2006 at 11:24.

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31 August 2006, 07:34	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,874	You don't have a Zorro slot in your A1000, so the A2091 will not just plug in. It is possible to create an adapter that translates the A1000/A500 Amigabus connector into a zorro slot, then you will be able to use your card. Instructions are on aminet hard/hack.

31 August 2006, 09:12	#3
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,923	If you could find a device called the Slingshot from R&D that will allow the card to be used. But it would be external and unsightly. What you need is a side car memory/Hard Disk controller for the A1000 (which are very rare and expensive) You are better off getting an Amiga 500 or 2000 and going that route. Good luck.

31 August 2006, 21:50	#4
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	The most cost effective solution is to get an A2000 which are plentifull on ebay (just make sure you have a keyboard). I wanted a 590 or GVP controller for my A500 for years, but in the end it was cheaper just to get an A2000HD then to try and buy a working A590.

02 September 2006, 19:54	#5
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,350	I doubt he wants to just buy an A2000 when his name is 1000. I hate it when people just say get a different Amiga. You can get a pheonix 1000 motherboard (which has a zorro slot) Make an A1000 bus > Zorro adapter Get something like a slingshot

03 September 2006, 02:09	#6
boing_1000 A1000 Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Eastern USA Age: 37 Posts: 567	Where would I be able to buy a Slingshot?

03 September 2006, 07:10	#7
Secret Vampire Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Birmingham UK Age: 43 Posts: 214	As with everything amiga, ebay is your best bet. I don't think I've ever seen one come up on there though, and they're really designed for the A500, which means that the 2091 would be backwards, and mounted halfway up the side of the machine. I'm not sure it had a case either, which would make for something very messy, and dangerous to your A1000. There are some equally rare full zorro backplanes and expansion boxes for the A1000, check amiga-hardware.com for side expansion slot stuff to get an idea of what to look for. Since the adaptor itself is fairly simple if you don't want to go for a full Zorro II implementation (you don't need to for one slot) you can build your own with a ribbon cable and some connectors. Still messy, but you get some control over how you mount the cards, you could get a box of some kind to install it in, and even hold a CD-ROM. Instructions are somewhere in hard/hack on aminet, I'd suggest getting a sacrificial A500 and some cheap Zorro card (ram boards are good for this since nobody seems to want them) to test it with before plugging it into your A1000 if you do go down that route. The most elegant way would be a drive interface designed for the A1000, but they suffer from the same problems as most things designed to plug into the A1000, there aren't very many around.

03 September 2006, 17:20	#8
boing_1000 A1000 Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Eastern USA Age: 37 Posts: 567	Well we have a MicroBotics StarDrive but it's an ST506 and it plugs into this serial port on the back of my StarBoard 2 MB expansion. Not to mention it's being stupid and only being recognized as DH0:BAD at the Workbench screen. Hopefully I'll be able to have it back up and running soon enough; we have the pinout signals for ST506 somehow so we're going to be doing some repair work in the coming days.

11 September 2006, 18:14	#9
Secret Vampire Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Birmingham UK Age: 43 Posts: 214	Found something on eBay that might be of interest to you, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Buserweiterung...QQcmdZViewItem It's a 3 slot Zorro backplane for the A500, but it should be possible to box it up and use it with the A1000. Also has a slot for A2000 accelerators, and what appear to be an edge connector for A500 expansions, and some ROM sockets. From reading a mangled babelfish translation, it appears that the cable that comes with it is a DIY job, and to be used at your own risk, the original design was for direct connection to the side expansion of an A500 board installed in a tower. It's one of these http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showha...gi?HARDID=1385

11 September 2006, 19:02	#10
boing_1000 A1000 Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Eastern USA Age: 37 Posts: 567	Thanks but I don't want to risk damaging my Amiga with it. I'm not much of a hardware hacker and I don't want to do something stupid. I may end up trying to fix the hard drive I've got.

12 September 2006, 01:16	#11
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,391	Can you not just plug in an A590 upside down?

12 September 2006, 03:59	#12
boing_1000 A1000 Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Eastern USA Age: 37 Posts: 567	Actually..I think you could. Good call. Now I just gotta find one of those haha.

12 September 2006, 06:34	#13
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	That will look real nice won't it.

12 September 2006, 13:29	#16
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,874	Yes, definitely not upside down, unless you want to fry the Amigabus device AND the A1000 motherboard.. Where does this persistent misoinformation come from? I bet it's those amiga.org people propagating it. ;-)

12 September 2006, 15:11	#17
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,391	Jope... READ the messages. I asked a QUESTION... and then a few posts later I qualified it as a half-ANSWER. There was no "misinformation". On a side note, I cannot believe how many non-keyed interfaces there are on the Amiga, a small notch 3/4 of the way along and voila, no chance of "blowing up" issues.

12 September 2006, 23:22	#18
boing_1000 A1000 Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Eastern USA Age: 37 Posts: 567	Well I guess my question now is anyone willing to part with an A590? It will go to a good home.

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