Why chipRAM reduces even if I use cgx4 rtg???

keropi · 15 February 2005, 09:39

I just noticed this:
On my system, using cgx4 + latest patch, when I open some windows and there is lots on screen, chipram reduces! like I use an AGA mode! why? picasso96 never did that! Have I done something wrong?

wlcina · 15 February 2005, 10:00

all that you can see on screen is stored in chipram , right ? so more windows opened - more chipram used

keropi · 15 February 2005, 10:09

what are you talking about wlcina?

I am using rtg....

woody57 · 15 February 2005, 10:10

Its an option choice within the same preferances draw where you select NEW ICON and quality preferences

If you already have ticked this option and saved it as a preference then I don't know why

alexh · 15 February 2005, 11:38

I had the same problem a few years ago, posted to this board, was told the solution and I dont get it anymore....

It wasnt one thing as I remember, I think I had to change several preferences in whatever ICON manager I was using (newicons or OS3.5+ coloricons or something) and I also think I had to switch to a program that used the CPU rather than the Amiga's internal blitter I think... cannot remember. fblit?

I'll look it up.

keropi · 15 February 2005, 11:45

god-damn that incompatibity with whdload+p96 for Piccolo cards...
all was great when I was using p96

keropi · 15 February 2005, 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by woodshed57

Its an option choice within the same preferances draw where you select NEW ICON and quality preferences

If you already have ticked this option and saved it as a preference then I don't know why

I cannot really understand the meaning of the above....

woody57 · 15 February 2005, 12:38

Or I would take a picture showing you the exact position of what you are looking for ....

However since Thalion is chasing the answer too with direct reference to your set up then hopefully you will have solution.

In the meantime I am trying to see if I can revive my tower after it got drenched in a pipeburst and bits of her are dead

Not your problem

However if I can resurect her at all I will post grabs of the correct location
best of luck solving your problem before mine

Amiga1992 · 15 February 2005, 14:18

Probably has to do with NewIcons slurping your chip ram instead of your fast ram. In the newicons prefs, check if you are using rtg mode. also, i htink you could of need Fblit but Im not sure, not having a cgx myself...

ant512 · 15 February 2005, 14:22

You don't need Fblit for RTG, but you do need the NewIcons RTG mode.

keropi · 15 February 2005, 14:32

what newicons???? I have not installed anything icon related, unless it is a default os3.9 app...

Amiga1992 · 15 February 2005, 14:34

Okay, OS3.9... in teh icon preferences, it should havea similar tag, for using RTG mode or something.

keropi · 15 February 2005, 14:39

nice, I'll check back home... thanx!

Amiga1992 · 15 February 2005, 16:14

Hope that helps because i took it off my head and i could be wrong, i promise to chck again later.

Bamiga2002 · 15 February 2005, 16:15

Do you use WBCtrl?

WBCtrl IMT=IconFast (or smthng like that), I could check this in my S-S.

and from WB prefs choose "images to other memory".

keropi · 15 February 2005, 17:46

now I have about 1840kb free all the time... iti is OK as the romupdate takes some mem, and thats about the mem I got with p96 too

thanx guys!

keropi · 17 February 2005, 10:37

that cgx4 rtg system is very annoying IMHO... after some tweaking I have a constand 1760kb free all the time (80-90kb less than p96) but the damn thing now consumes fast-ram! why the hell is it doing that? not that it is a problem, but p96 never consumed fast-ram or chipmem as far as I remember...
I wish the whdload author finds a fix, so I can move back to p96...

ant512 · 17 February 2005, 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

I wish the whdload author finds a fix, so I can move back to p96...

Strange that you had problems with P96 and WHDLoad - I use both, and have never had any issues.

Bamiga2002 · 17 February 2005, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

that cgx4 rtg system is very annoying IMHO... after some tweaking I have a constand 1760kb free all the time (80-90kb less than p96) but the damn thing now consumes fast-ram! why the hell is it doing that? not that it is a problem, but p96 never consumed fast-ram or chipmem as far as I remember...
I wish the whdload author finds a fix, so I can move back to p96...

You can set WB to use the graphics memory directly, by changing from Workbench prefs "icons to graphics memory" and maybe WBCtrl IMT=Any. I have plenty of FAST (128mb) so i use it as graphics memory. Besides it's faster.

keropi · 17 February 2005, 14:05

where is this "icons to graphics memory" option? I cannot see it...

not that it matters much about fastram being used, but why the hell should it?
as for p96+whdload, it worked excellent when I had a picassoII board, now with the piccoloSD64 the display in many games just stays black, nothing loads, and just waits for the quit key to be pressed... I don't blame excellent whdload, perhaps the p96 driver for ps64 is buggy...

15 February 2005, 09:39	#1
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	Why chipRAM reduces even if I use cgx4 rtg??? I just noticed this: On my system, using cgx4 + latest patch, when I open some windows and there is lots on screen, chipram reduces! like I use an AGA mode! why? picasso96 never did that! Have I done something wrong?

15 February 2005, 10:10	#4
woody57 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 801	Under 3.9 you have the option to retarget graphics to fast RAM Its an option choice within the same preferances draw where you select NEW ICON and quality preferences If you already have ticked this option and saved it as a preference then I don't know why

15 February 2005, 11:38	#5
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,398	I had the same problem a few years ago, posted to this board, was told the solution and I dont get it anymore.... It wasnt one thing as I remember, I think I had to change several preferences in whatever ICON manager I was using (newicons or OS3.5+ coloricons or something) and I also think I had to switch to a program that used the CPU rather than the Amiga's internal blitter I think... cannot remember. fblit? I'll look it up. Last edited by alexh; 15 February 2005 at 11:44.

15 February 2005, 12:38	#8
woody57 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 801	sorry koropi my Amiga tower is down at the moment.... Or I would take a picture showing you the exact position of what you are looking for .... However since Thalion is chasing the answer too with direct reference to your set up then hopefully you will have solution. In the meantime I am trying to see if I can revive my tower after it got drenched in a pipeburst and bits of her are dead Not your problem However if I can resurect her at all I will post grabs of the correct location best of luck solving your problem before mine

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15 February 2005, 10:00	#2
wlcina Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Czech republic Posts: 580	all that you can see on screen is stored in chipram , right ? so more windows opened - more chipram used

15 February 2005, 10:09	#3
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	what are you talking about wlcina? I am using rtg....

15 February 2005, 11:45	#6
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	god-damn that incompatibity with whdload+p96 for Piccolo cards... all was great when I was using p96

15 February 2005, 14:18	#9
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Probably has to do with NewIcons slurping your chip ram instead of your fast ram. In the newicons prefs, check if you are using rtg mode. also, i htink you could of need Fblit but Im not sure, not having a cgx myself...

15 February 2005, 14:22	#10
ant512 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 965	You don't need Fblit for RTG, but you do need the NewIcons RTG mode.

15 February 2005, 14:32	#11
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	what newicons???? I have not installed anything icon related, unless it is a default os3.9 app...

15 February 2005, 14:34	#12
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Okay, OS3.9... in teh icon preferences, it should havea similar tag, for using RTG mode or something.

15 February 2005, 14:39	#13
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	nice, I'll check back home... thanx!

15 February 2005, 16:14	#14
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,646	Hope that helps because i took it off my head and i could be wrong, i promise to chck again later.

15 February 2005, 16:15	#15
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	Do you use WBCtrl? WBCtrl IMT=IconFast (or smthng like that), I could check this in my S-S. and from WB prefs choose "images to other memory".

15 February 2005, 17:46	#16
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	now I have about 1840kb free all the time... iti is OK as the romupdate takes some mem, and thats about the mem I got with p96 too thanx guys!

17 February 2005, 10:37	#17
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	that cgx4 rtg system is very annoying IMHO... after some tweaking I have a constand 1760kb free all the time (80-90kb less than p96) but the damn thing now consumes fast-ram! why the hell is it doing that? not that it is a problem, but p96 never consumed fast-ram or chipmem as far as I remember... I wish the whdload author finds a fix, so I can move back to p96...

17 February 2005, 14:05	#20
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	where is this "icons to graphics memory" option? I cannot see it... not that it matters much about fastram being used, but why the hell should it? as for p96+whdload, it worked excellent when I had a picassoII board, now with the piccoloSD64 the display in many games just stays black, nothing loads, and just waits for the quit key to be pressed... I don't blame excellent whdload, perhaps the p96 driver for ps64 is buggy...

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