classicwb adv wont boot with 030 card in ?

terexuk · 05 May 2011, 12:33

hi,
I have installed classicwbadv onto hd but it wont play ball with my 030 card

starts too boot but then just stops at a black screen . The card is fine with a normal w/b install and when i take card out classicwb loads fine ???

Anyone have any ideas

FOL · 05 May 2011, 12:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by terexuk

hi,
I have installed classicwbadv onto hd but it wont play ball with my 030 card

starts too boot but then just stops at a black screen . The card is fine with a normal w/b install and when i take card out classicwb loads fine ???

Anyone have any ideas

Boot with no startup, then type;

set echo on
execute s:startup-sequence

It will let you see what its loading before crashing.

terexuk · 05 May 2011, 13:38

hi fol,
thanks for the reply, just done that and its guruing now when it gets to Fblit (tried a couple of times )

FOL · 05 May 2011, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by terexuk

hi fol,
thanks for the reply, just done that and its guruing now when it gets to Fblit (tried a couple of times )

Try commenting out "fblit"
Put a ; infront of it via "ed s:startup-sequence".
In the sequence, you will find the fblit line.

Then do the same, echo on etc etc.

terexuk · 05 May 2011, 23:10

commented fblit out , it now gets to "intuition is trying to reset workbench etc" then wont go no further

do all the classicwb use fblit?

FOL · 05 May 2011, 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by terexuk

commented fblit out , it now gets to "intuition is trying to reset workbench etc" then wont go no further

do all the classicwb use fblit?

When it says "intuition is trying to reset blah blah", what happens when you press "cancel". Whats the last thing it loads before getting to that requester?

terexuk · 05 May 2011, 23:22

pressing cancel just leaves the startup seq on screen , last thing it trys to load is c:caprefs

FOL · 05 May 2011, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by terexuk

pressing cancel just leaves the startup seq on screen , last thing it trys to load is c:caprefs

Try commenting that out then,

.

It sounds like something in the startup-sequence, doesnt like your card.

terexuk · 06 May 2011, 00:30

yes i understand where your coming from but at this rate ill be down to a barebones wb ,

for instance as i understand it fblit takes away some operations from the blitter chip and uses the cpu to allow use of fast ram which would be quite useful. By commenting out certain bits of the startup seq i am concerned that i am just setting false flags just to get it too boot which is not what i intended
Hope this make sense and really appreciate your input

FOL · 06 May 2011, 00:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by terexuk

yes i understand where your coming from but at this rate ill be down to a barebones wb ,

for instance as i understand it fblit takes away some operations from the blitter chip and uses the cpu to allow use of fast ram which would be quite useful. By commenting out certain bits of the startup seq i am concerned that i am just setting false flags just to get it too boot which is not what i intended
Hope this make sense and really appreciate your input

Yeh I understand, but lets get it booted first,

.
You will then know exactly what things dont work, and look into it from there.

Should have asked first, what Amiga are you running this on?

terexuk · 06 May 2011, 00:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOL

Yeh I understand, but lets get it booted first,

.
You will then know exactly what things dont work, and look into it from there.

Should have asked first, what Amiga are you running this on?

Yes of course your right , specs are a1200 ,030 card with 8mb of ram ,6gb hd with 500mb wb partition and 3 partitions split between the rest all below 2gb

terexuk · 06 May 2011, 09:34

ok, can now boot to workbench

but icons are garbled and just a plain blue background
Tried to open classact prefs but that gurued the machine

so any ideas

fitzsteve · 06 May 2011, 09:36

@terexuk

Does your 030 card work if you boot from a Workbench floppy?

terexuk · 06 May 2011, 09:55

yes will boot from floppy and also boots from hd using std wb install just classicwb is having problems

FOL · 06 May 2011, 10:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by terexuk

yes will boot from floppy and also boots from hd using std wb install just classicwb is having problems

What type of card is it?

terexuk · 06 May 2011, 10:24

its a A1200 MTec T1230/28 RTC Accelerator Card 8MB RAM

just out of interest the hd ran fine in winuae with same settings

fitzsteve · 06 May 2011, 10:29

Its very strange indeed as I used to have the very same card and ran Classic Workbench without issues.

As you're using >4gb did you patch the SCSI.Device? I wonder if this causes some issue with the M-Tec, do you have a CF-IDE or smaller HDD you can try?

All the best,

Steve.

FOL · 06 May 2011, 10:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzsteve

Its very strange indeed as I used to have the very same card and ran Classic Workbench without issues.

As you're using >4gb did you patch the SCSI.Device? I wonder if this causes some issue with the M-Tec, do you have a CF-IDE or smaller HDD you can try?

All the best,

Steve.

Good point, if RDB aint setup right, that could cause wierd problems too.

terexuk · 06 May 2011, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by fitzsteve

Its very strange indeed as I used to have the very same card and ran Classic Workbench without issues.

As you're using >4gb did you patch the SCSI.Device? I wonder if this causes some issue with the M-Tec, do you have a CF-IDE or smaller HDD you can try?

All the best,

Steve.

didnt patch the scsi.device. i have other drives knocking about and also a cf card . I think i will go back too square one using a new drive/cf card and see how things go. cyberdruid has translated the manual back into english (it was in german) so i can check the jumper settings and suchlike.
Fitzsteve can you remember what settings you were using on card ie: the card at the moment is set to use async instead of 28/14mhz is this correct ?
Anyways thanks for the help so far both of you much appreciated

i will keep you updated on any progress, if not keep an eye on the marketplace

fitzsteve · 06 May 2011, 11:45

Hey terexuk, no probs at all!

Firstly if you're using a HDD >4gb you need to patch the SCSI.Device as the default A1200 SCSI.Device only supports up to 4gb, this could be causing an issue. However if you have a smaller drive (or better still a CF for ease of setup) give that a try

I don't remember what the settings were for on my old M-Tec, but I took this picture, and these are the settings I used:

(click to see large image)

05 May 2011, 12:33	#1
terexuk Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 196	classicwb adv wont boot with 030 card in ? hi, I have installed classicwbadv onto hd but it wont play ball with my 030 card starts too boot but then just stops at a black screen . The card is fine with a normal w/b install and when i take card out classicwb loads fine ??? Anyone have any ideas

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05 May 2011, 13:38	#3
terexuk Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 196	hi fol, thanks for the reply, just done that and its guruing now when it gets to Fblit (tried a couple of times )

05 May 2011, 23:10	#5
terexuk Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 196	commented fblit out , it now gets to "intuition is trying to reset workbench etc" then wont go no further do all the classicwb use fblit?

05 May 2011, 23:22	#7
terexuk Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 196	pressing cancel just leaves the startup seq on screen , last thing it trys to load is c:caprefs

06 May 2011, 00:30	#9
terexuk Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 196	yes i understand where your coming from but at this rate ill be down to a barebones wb , for instance as i understand it fblit takes away some operations from the blitter chip and uses the cpu to allow use of fast ram which would be quite useful. By commenting out certain bits of the startup seq i am concerned that i am just setting false flags just to get it too boot which is not what i intended Hope this make sense and really appreciate your input

06 May 2011, 09:34	#12
terexuk Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 196	ok, can now boot to workbench but icons are garbled and just a plain blue background Tried to open classact prefs but that gurued the machine so any ideas

06 May 2011, 09:36	#13
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	@terexuk Does your 030 card work if you boot from a Workbench floppy?

06 May 2011, 09:55	#14
terexuk Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 196	yes will boot from floppy and also boots from hd using std wb install just classicwb is having problems

06 May 2011, 10:24	#16
terexuk Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: leicester Posts: 196	its a A1200 MTec T1230/28 RTC Accelerator Card 8MB RAM just out of interest the hd ran fine in winuae with same settings

06 May 2011, 10:29	#17
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	Its very strange indeed as I used to have the very same card and ran Classic Workbench without issues. As you're using >4gb did you patch the SCSI.Device? I wonder if this causes some issue with the M-Tec, do you have a CF-IDE or smaller HDD you can try? All the best, Steve.

06 May 2011, 11:45	#20
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	Hey terexuk, no probs at all! Firstly if you're using a HDD >4gb you need to patch the SCSI.Device as the default A1200 SCSI.Device only supports up to 4gb, this could be causing an issue. However if you have a smaller drive (or better still a CF for ease of setup) give that a try I don't remember what the settings were for on my old M-Tec, but I took this picture, and these are the settings I used: (click to see large image)

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