New Floppy Drive Sound for WinUAE

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 01:38

hi guys..

i recorded my real amiga 500 floppy drive sound using a sampler and x-copy (track 0-80 checkdisk) and made it for WinUAE..
it sounds like 75% of my real amiga 500..

http://www.xtremesr.com/trackah123/d...ounds_a500.zip

plz try this out and let me know what you think of it

installation instructions :

unpack the "uae_data" folder contained in the zip file to your WinUAE folder..
then run WinUAE and go to Sound.. then instead of "A500 (WinUAE built-in)" choose "A500" and off you go

boing_1000 · 08 January 2007, 03:17

Just tried it out. A little laggy but pretty good! I'm impressed. My attempt at recording the A1000 drive sounds isn't as good as that.

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 03:48

my first recording attempt was also the best one.. i tried some more recordings to hopefully improve it but it didnt sound right at all.. but the first recording attempt sounded best.. was a lucky shot

Grimbog · 08 January 2007, 11:13

Nice stuff trackah123!

Actually, I don't know if any of the WinUAE guru's are up for this... but I have a professional Neumann mic (M149) handy if anyone wants some crystal clear sounds of the Amiga drive. It's omnidirectional too, so I can isolate the surroundings.

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 11:21

sounds nice .. there is only 1 thing about it that is probably winuae related..

you can never get it to sound exactly like an original amiga because probably winuae handles the "spinning sectors from 0-40-80" and back differently or well it sounds different .. too electronic and too sharp imho i didnt noticed that only on my sounds.. but all soundtypes (LOUD ST Build-in etc).. while the driveticks are very good (100% original) ..

im not sure but to make winuae 100% to sound like a real amiga then the soundsystem or something else needs to be changed (the handling of sectorsearch/driveseekspin)..

again i cannot confirm this.. but i think thats why it just doesnt sound like a real amiga for 100%

i also noticed a difference in sound (sectorspin) on the same sample under different khz (44100 and 48000)

Toni Wilen · 08 January 2007, 12:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by trackah123

im not sure but to make winuae 100% to sound like a real amiga then the soundsystem or something else needs to be changed (the handling of sectorsearch/driveseekspin)..

Echos and resonances etc.. are most likely causing the difference when stepping quickly (previous and next step sounds mix). UAE only plays single samples, no special audio processing.

I guess "emulating" this would need lots of experimentation (and different Amiga models and drives have very different sound)

Quote:

i also noticed a difference in sound (sectorspin) on the same sample under different khz (44100 and 48000)

Probably caused by basic resampler in disk sound code (sound is simply mixed with paula audio)

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 16:59

yes now you say that.. that could be it.. i think a real amiga just blends smoothly together on sound when it comes to the sectorspin.. it also sounds more smooth (not sharp/snatchy)

while like you said winuae plays single samples.. when it goes from sector 1 to 2.. probably it stops with sector 1 (sample cut) and continues with sector 2..

less resonance or more voices/sounds at the same time probably will make it sound a bit more like the real thing but also more cpu-consuming i think (like in some games where you can set voices / sounds up to 32 / 64 )

glue · 08 January 2007, 18:53

i tryed to use new sound but i when change from a500 built in to a500 , my sound don't play and i see no sound. i depacked uae_data into winuae folder with winuae (beta9)

any idea ?

rgdrs.

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 19:33

hmm yes i had another guy that had the same problem.. not sure why? maybe soundcard related.. have you tried version 1.3.4 yet?

Mad-Matt · 08 January 2007, 20:39

im using 1.3.4 and too cannot play these floppy sounds. Its something emu related though I think as the LOUD setting doesnt work either. ST and Built in does work though.

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 20:50

thats strange yes.. for some people it works and for some it isnt.. the wave files are ok tho.. so yes it must be winuae/windows or even hardware related (soundcard)

Retro-Nerd · 08 January 2007, 20:55

I noticed the same. But i don't know exactly the time. I recently bought a new soundcard, i thought this was the problem.

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 20:56

hmm yeah i cant really help you guys with that.. if you play these wave files with windows media player they work fine.. so yes it could be winuae issue

glue · 08 January 2007, 21:10

media files plays good in winamp or other player but why WINUAE don't look it ?? mayby TONI can crunched this audio files into new BETA as A500 BUILT IN ? it's my sugestion

i have audio on board ( GIGABYTE GA-K8NS ) and winuae installed on
my partition :

E:\Emulatory\amiga\Emulation\WinUAE

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 21:26

maybe only sound blaster can handle the winuae floppy sound

i have sound blaster xf-i elite pro. works fine here.. i dont really like onboard soundcards. they always seem to act up in 1 way or another..

Toni Wilen · 08 January 2007, 21:40

It can't have anything to do with sound card, it is software mixed with paula audio stream before it goes to sound card.

First, check logs, as usual..

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 21:48

toni

i seem to miss a wave file

13-531: driveclick: can't open 'C:\Program Files\WinUAE\uae_data\drive_spinnd_A500' (or 'C:\Program Files\WinUAE\uae_data\drive_spinnd_A500.wav')

what does spinnd do? are there more files i forgot to create

anyway heres my logfile (winuae floppy sound works fine here)
http://www.xtremesr.com/trackah123/winuaelog.txt

13-515: SOUND: PCM:0 'SB X-Fi Audio [9C00]'/2/16 bits/44100 Hz/buffer 16384/dist 4096
13-640: SOUND: 5100 = (5292 - 192)
13-640: SOUND: bs=128 w=10240 max=16384 tof=21845 tuf=29127

Retro-Nerd · 08 January 2007, 22:11

I can choose & save the "Amiga 500" floppy sounds, but after starting the emulator gui shows "No Sound".

andreas · 08 January 2007, 22:34

Works for me in 1.3.3.

Excellent work trackah!

I don't want to disrespect hal's previous efforts too much, but well, it's a fact that the disk had sounded as if it was shortly before its wit's end!

trackah123 · 08 January 2007, 23:05

retro-nerd, i see you have a c-media card.. and also your numbers are alot higher on the "sound" lines in your logfile then mine.. maybe that has something to do with it..

dunno.. i hope toni can figure it out

08 January 2007, 01:38	#1
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	New Floppy Drive Sound for WinUAE hi guys.. i recorded my real amiga 500 floppy drive sound using a sampler and x-copy (track 0-80 checkdisk) and made it for WinUAE.. it sounds like 75% of my real amiga 500.. http://www.xtremesr.com/trackah123/d...ounds_a500.zip plz try this out and let me know what you think of it installation instructions : unpack the "uae_data" folder contained in the zip file to your WinUAE folder.. then run WinUAE and go to Sound.. then instead of "A500 (WinUAE built-in)" choose "A500" and off you go Last edited by trackah123; 08 January 2007 at 01:45.

08 January 2007, 11:21	#5
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	sounds nice .. there is only 1 thing about it that is probably winuae related.. you can never get it to sound exactly like an original amiga because probably winuae handles the "spinning sectors from 0-40-80" and back differently or well it sounds different .. too electronic and too sharp imho i didnt noticed that only on my sounds.. but all soundtypes (LOUD ST Build-in etc).. while the driveticks are very good (100% original) .. im not sure but to make winuae 100% to sound like a real amiga then the soundsystem or something else needs to be changed (the handling of sectorsearch/driveseekspin).. again i cannot confirm this.. but i think thats why it just doesnt sound like a real amiga for 100% i also noticed a difference in sound (sectorspin) on the same sample under different khz (44100 and 48000) Last edited by trackah123; 08 January 2007 at 11:39.

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08 January 2007, 03:17	#2
boing_1000 A1000 Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Eastern USA Age: 37 Posts: 567	Just tried it out. A little laggy but pretty good! I'm impressed. My attempt at recording the A1000 drive sounds isn't as good as that.

08 January 2007, 03:48	#3
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	my first recording attempt was also the best one.. i tried some more recordings to hopefully improve it but it didnt sound right at all.. but the first recording attempt sounded best.. was a lucky shot

08 January 2007, 11:13	#4
Grimbog Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Posts: 31	Nice stuff trackah123! Actually, I don't know if any of the WinUAE guru's are up for this... but I have a professional Neumann mic (M149) handy if anyone wants some crystal clear sounds of the Amiga drive. It's omnidirectional too, so I can isolate the surroundings.

08 January 2007, 16:59	#7
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	yes now you say that.. that could be it.. i think a real amiga just blends smoothly together on sound when it comes to the sectorspin.. it also sounds more smooth (not sharp/snatchy) while like you said winuae plays single samples.. when it goes from sector 1 to 2.. probably it stops with sector 1 (sample cut) and continues with sector 2.. less resonance or more voices/sounds at the same time probably will make it sound a bit more like the real thing but also more cpu-consuming i think (like in some games where you can set voices / sounds up to 32 / 64 )

08 January 2007, 18:53	#8
glue Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: https://t.me/pump_upp Posts: 76	i tryed to use new sound but i when change from a500 built in to a500 , my sound don't play and i see no sound. i depacked uae_data into winuae folder with winuae (beta9) any idea ? rgdrs.

08 January 2007, 19:33	#9
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	hmm yes i had another guy that had the same problem.. not sure why? maybe soundcard related.. have you tried version 1.3.4 yet?

08 January 2007, 20:39	#10
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	im using 1.3.4 and too cannot play these floppy sounds. Its something emu related though I think as the LOUD setting doesnt work either. ST and Built in does work though.

08 January 2007, 20:50	#11
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	thats strange yes.. for some people it works and for some it isnt.. the wave files are ok tho.. so yes it must be winuae/windows or even hardware related (soundcard)

08 January 2007, 20:55	#12
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	I noticed the same. But i don't know exactly the time. I recently bought a new soundcard, i thought this was the problem.

08 January 2007, 20:56	#13
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	hmm yeah i cant really help you guys with that.. if you play these wave files with windows media player they work fine.. so yes it could be winuae issue

08 January 2007, 21:10	#14
glue Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: https://t.me/pump_upp Posts: 76	media files plays good in winamp or other player but why WINUAE don't look it ?? mayby TONI can crunched this audio files into new BETA as A500 BUILT IN ? it's my sugestion i have audio on board ( GIGABYTE GA-K8NS ) and winuae installed on my partition : E:\Emulatory\amiga\Emulation\WinUAE

08 January 2007, 21:26	#15
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	maybe only sound blaster can handle the winuae floppy sound i have sound blaster xf-i elite pro. works fine here.. i dont really like onboard soundcards. they always seem to act up in 1 way or another..

08 January 2007, 21:40	#16
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	It can't have anything to do with sound card, it is software mixed with paula audio stream before it goes to sound card. First, check logs, as usual..

08 January 2007, 21:48	#17
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	toni i seem to miss a wave file 13-531: driveclick: can't open 'C:\Program Files\WinUAE\uae_data\drive_spinnd_A500' (or 'C:\Program Files\WinUAE\uae_data\drive_spinnd_A500.wav') what does spinnd do? are there more files i forgot to create anyway heres my logfile (winuae floppy sound works fine here) http://www.xtremesr.com/trackah123/winuaelog.txt 13-515: SOUND: PCM:0 'SB X-Fi Audio [9C00]'/2/16 bits/44100 Hz/buffer 16384/dist 4096 13-640: SOUND: 5100 = (5292 - 192) 13-640: SOUND: bs=128 w=10240 max=16384 tof=21845 tuf=29127

08 January 2007, 22:34	#19
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Works for me in 1.3.3. Excellent work trackah! I don't want to disrespect hal's previous efforts too much, but well, it's a fact that the disk had sounded as if it was shortly before its wit's end!

08 January 2007, 23:05	#20
trackah123 Amiga User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Delft / The Netherlands Posts: 327	retro-nerd, i see you have a c-media card.. and also your numbers are alot higher on the "sound" lines in your logfile then mine.. maybe that has something to do with it.. dunno.. i hope toni can figure it out

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