First Samurai

ATWindsor · 21 March 2006, 16:06

Anyone who has gotten first samurai to work? I only get to the intro, where i get som glitching, and are not able to do anything.

Belgarath · 21 March 2006, 16:28

The intro goes on for ages, holding down the firebutton will speed it up but to skip it entirely you need to hold down the firebutton and keep it pressed as soon as the Vivid Image / Image Works logo appear. When it says Loading First Samurai you can release it.

ATWindsor · 21 March 2006, 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Belgarath

The intro goes on for ages, holding down the firebutton will speed it up but to skip it entirely you need to hold down the firebutton and keep it pressed as soon as the Vivid Image / Image Works logo appear. When it says Loading First Samurai you can release it.

Thanks, Guess i was just beeing impatient, with all the glitches and the button not seeming to do anything, I just assumed something was wrong.

DamienD · 21 March 2006, 18:00

Hmmm, I remember having glitches in the intro with this game in much earlier versions of WinUAE (0.8.22R9 or older)...

These days I don't believe there are any glitches. My config usually has:

... 68000 CPU (more compatible)
... Full ECS
... Cycle exact CPU and Blitter
... 2MB Chip RAM + 1MB Slow RAM (you should only really 512K Chip RAM + 512K Slow RAM though)
... Kickstart v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5.rom
... and the rest as default...

In fact this is what I generally use for 90% of my 427+ games config'd

Give this a try and see if the glitches disappear...

andreas · 22 March 2006, 21:31

Quote:

you should only really 512K Chip RAM + 512K Slow RAM though

Uhm .. true.

And OCS or - if you insist - ECS Agnus should do as well.
But: cycle exact is mandatory -- starting with disabled CE may even hard lock the emulator! (task manager will be your only way out).

dlfrsilver · 22 March 2006, 23:31

First samurai needs Cycle exact + blitter (check true in your config file).

With winuae 1.2 with both activated no glitches !!!!

Life is really cool ^^

ATWindsor · 23 March 2006, 20:56

The more "conservative" setting worked fine. Thanks for the info. Btw, how do i know what revision my kickstart is?

andreas · 23 March 2006, 21:25

BTW, just found out that CE is NOT needed if Immediate Blitter is on. This information may be essential when running on slower machines (CE eats a LOT of CPU, hence requiring a decent one).

DamienD · 23 March 2006, 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas

BTW, just found out that CE is NOT needed if Immediate Blitter is on. This information may be essential when running on slower machines (CE eats a LOT of CPU, hence requiring a decent one).

That old chest nut... If I remember correctly from my testing Aladdin is one of these games that only needs Immediate Blitter on (set through config file). If you have Cycle exact CPU and Blitter on or off it doesn't work i.e freezes and asks for Disk 2 or 3

andreas · 23 March 2006, 21:59

Old chest nut? I dare disagree! My info does ONLY apply to the game in this thread and is meant not to be generalized! With some other games, CE might still be a MUST, and IB will not improve the situation.

DamienD · 23 March 2006, 22:06

Yeah I know that my friend.

LOL, chill man. I was just referring to another example (plus the one in this thread) that like Immediate Blitter. Took a while to get Aladdin working correctly, I think it worked fine without this (and excat CPU / blitter enabled) in v1.0.0 but then changed in 1.1.0...

Good information for newbies that are having trouble with Aladdin (ok, wrong thread though).

But you are right, don't take this setting as gosbel...

Retro-Nerd · 23 March 2006, 22:19

It depends on the chipset timing. When Toni fixes some games or demos he sometimes break some other games. I noticed that Lionheart has graphic problems since the last 5-6 releases. Turrican 2 was running fine with the WHDLoad install, but since the last 2 years it works only correct with the Amiga 500 Speed and immediate blitter.

DamienD · 23 March 2006, 22:29

To be expected, this happens with all emulators.

Sometimes you need to take a step backwards to go 2 steps forward

andreas · 23 March 2006, 23:48

....whereupon "2 steps forward" is only the middle name

PP Hammer works now WITHOUT (!) CE and without IB, yet no glitches at all! Same with Spindizzy Worlds.

DamienD · 24 March 2006, 00:04

Nice one andreas, good information to know

Ironclaw · 24 March 2006, 00:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

That old chest nut... If I remember correctly from my testing Aladdin is one of these games that only needs Immediate Blitter on (set through config file). If you have Cycle exact CPU and Blitter on or off it doesn't work i.e freezes and asks for Disk 2 or 3

I could only get Aladdin AGA to run with floppy drive speed set to Turbo, anything under resulted in a freeze or crash.. don't remember which one.. if any of those two.. but it wouldn't work without Turbo speed.

First and only game that requires Turbo from all the games I have emulated.

DamienD · 24 March 2006, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironclaw

First and only game that requires Turbo from all the games I have emulated.

Hmmm, I definitely don't have Turbo included and it works perfectly.

Actually after reading one of my old threads http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=20375 Aladdin needs only blitter_cycle_exact=true set. This needs to be done in the config file, you cannot do it from the GUI by ticking Cycle exact CPU and Blitter as this sets both "blitter_cycle_exact=true" + "cpu_cycle_exact=true" in the config file (which doesn't work).

blade002 · 24 March 2006, 14:18

Just gotta say that The First Samurai is one of the BEST Amiga games ever made. I really really loved that game when i first saw it and finished it.

I would put it up there with Lionheart.

I didnt go much for part 2 though, because of its settings in places, such as space and robotic crap.. I like games like this that stay more traditional such as in Japan, even though it did end up in a city towards the end.

Great stuff!.

21 March 2006, 16:06	#1
ATWindsor Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Norway Age: 43 Posts: 49	First Samurai Anyone who has gotten first samurai to work? I only get to the intro, where i get som glitching, and are not able to do anything.

21 March 2006, 18:00	#4
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Hmmm, I remember having glitches in the intro with this game in much earlier versions of WinUAE (0.8.22R9 or older)... These days I don't believe there are any glitches. My config usually has: ... 68000 CPU (more compatible) ... Full ECS ... Cycle exact CPU and Blitter ... 2MB Chip RAM + 1MB Slow RAM (you should only really 512K Chip RAM + 512K Slow RAM though) ... Kickstart v1.3 (A500,A1000,A2000) rev 34.5.rom ... and the rest as default... In fact this is what I generally use for 90% of my 427+ games config'd Give this a try and see if the glitches disappear... Last edited by DamienD; 21 March 2006 at 18:10.

23 March 2006, 22:06	#11
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Yeah I know that my friend. LOL, chill man. I was just referring to another example (plus the one in this thread) that like Immediate Blitter. Took a while to get Aladdin working correctly, I think it worked fine without this (and excat CPU / blitter enabled) in v1.0.0 but then changed in 1.1.0... Good information for newbies that are having trouble with Aladdin (ok, wrong thread though). But you are right, don't take this setting as gosbel... Last edited by DamienD; 23 March 2006 at 22:20.

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21 March 2006, 16:28	#2
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,513	The intro goes on for ages, holding down the firebutton will speed it up but to skip it entirely you need to hold down the firebutton and keep it pressed as soon as the Vivid Image / Image Works logo appear. When it says Loading First Samurai you can release it.

22 March 2006, 23:31	#6
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	First samurai needs Cycle exact + blitter (check true in your config file). With winuae 1.2 with both activated no glitches !!!! Life is really cool ^^

23 March 2006, 20:56	#7
ATWindsor Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Norway Age: 43 Posts: 49	The more "conservative" setting worked fine. Thanks for the info. Btw, how do i know what revision my kickstart is?

23 March 2006, 21:25	#8
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	BTW, just found out that CE is NOT needed if Immediate Blitter is on. This information may be essential when running on slower machines (CE eats a LOT of CPU, hence requiring a decent one).

23 March 2006, 21:59	#10
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Old chest nut? I dare disagree! My info does ONLY apply to the game in this thread and is meant not to be generalized! With some other games, CE might still be a MUST, and IB will not improve the situation.

23 March 2006, 22:19	#12
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	It depends on the chipset timing. When Toni fixes some games or demos he sometimes break some other games. I noticed that Lionheart has graphic problems since the last 5-6 releases. Turrican 2 was running fine with the WHDLoad install, but since the last 2 years it works only correct with the Amiga 500 Speed and immediate blitter.

23 March 2006, 22:29	#13
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	To be expected, this happens with all emulators. Sometimes you need to take a step backwards to go 2 steps forward

23 March 2006, 23:48	#14
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	....whereupon "2 steps forward" is only the middle name PP Hammer works now WITHOUT (!) CE and without IB, yet no glitches at all! Same with Spindizzy Worlds.

24 March 2006, 00:04	#15
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	Nice one andreas, good information to know

24 March 2006, 14:18	#18
blade002 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Age: 50 Posts: 2,616	Just gotta say that The First Samurai is one of the BEST Amiga games ever made. I really really loved that game when i first saw it and finished it. I would put it up there with Lionheart. I didnt go much for part 2 though, because of its settings in places, such as space and robotic crap.. I like games like this that stay more traditional such as in Japan, even though it did end up in a city towards the end. Great stuff!.

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