68030, 68040 and 68060 MMU support (really!)

Toni Wilen · 22 August 2009, 13:22

Aranym's 68040 MMU code was finally enabled today. (and executable size is now about 8 megabytes, 5th CPU core. yay..)

No, it isn't really working yet but at least it gets as far as setpatch setting up MMU tables and then it does something weird..

No, JIT is not supported and never will.

Note that I am not going to fix/update the code if it has some missing features that Amiga software requires.

UPDATE: 68040.library works now, enforcer still causes infinite bus errors.

Predabot · 22 August 2009, 16:08

Is Aranym another developer then? Some guy who decided to pitch in with some 68040-code? If so, cudos to him. Must be nice knowing you're not all alone in the world, trying to get Amiga-emulation to perfection.

Toni Wilen · 22 August 2009, 16:13

Aranym is (expanded) Atari ST/TT/Falcon emulator

andreas · 22 August 2009, 16:33

FANTASTIC ! This might mean: the future *may* bring Amiga UNIX alternatives to Minix (which only works in ancient version on the current emulation core)

Quote:

No, JIT is not supported and never will.

Thanks, I'd love to preserve data integrity at least in my Amiga UNIX case

JIT is great for gaming or Mandelbrot-ish gfx, but when it comes to alien file-systems emulated in an emulator on its part, I'll gladly live without

Toni Wilen · 22 August 2009, 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas

FANTASTIC ! This might mean: the future *may* bring Amiga UNIX alternatives to Minix (which only works in ancient version on the current emulation core)

AFAIK "official" Amiga Unix is 68030 only. (68040 MMU is totally different than 68030 MMU. 68030 MMU is extremely complex, 68040 is relatively simple)

andreas · 22 August 2009, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

AFAIK "official" Amiga Unix is 68030 only.

Ouch. so my enthusiasm might have been a bit over the top once more...

Quote:

68030 MMU is extremely complex, 68040 is relatively simple)

Yes, you mentioned the former at least a million times.

Maybe someday there will be in fact a volunteer to code this awfully cumbersome 68030 MMU emulation. We have to face the fact you do not want to do it (your decision, isn't it)

Surely Dave Haynie could help you a lot with this - but he seems to have disappeared from public reach for good...

Toni Wilen · 23 August 2009, 12:05

Enforcer seems to work now. It is more than enough for me

Problem reports will be posted here when beta is available.. (MMU is bonus feature that may or may not work in next official version)

JohnF · 23 August 2009, 22:12

If I get chance, I'll see if I can boot a NetBSD kernel, but that might be asking a lot...

frank_b · 23 August 2009, 22:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnF

If I get chance, I'll see if I can boot a NetBSD kernel, but that might be asking a lot...

The Atari port of Net BSD can apparently boot on Aranym.

Toni Wilen · 24 August 2009, 08:22

It is guaranteed to not boot yet (some instructions won't restart properly after bus error) but some kind of 68040 Unix/Linux installation would be nice compatibility test case.

Mad-Matt · 24 August 2009, 14:23

I havent done much to stress mmu testing yet, but have tried a couple of things. MuMove4k (MMULIB Module) seems to cause a ramlib error (not mumove4k itself - just the effect of having it running with some other prog i havent identified yet). It will error on every boot if i manualy reboot but clicking reboot on the error message box, it will guru but then wb will load fine.

Once working MuFastZero seems to work ok, but expansion.lib still seems stuck in chipmem even though sysinfo says Fast Mem (instead of usual 32bit fastmem).

mmulib 68k libs in use (doesnt auto move vbr like phase5 libs do).

lastly CPU FASTROM doesnt appear to do anything still. (tried a few 68040 libs).

ill see if i can enable virtual memory in mac emu later (mmu enabled mode) and try Asp spectrum emu (Although i think that already works anyway without mmu)

Toni Wilen · 24 August 2009, 16:06

MMULib 68040.library does not seem to work but without sources it will be too time consuming task..

EDIT: what happens is that mmu.library or 68040.library does some kind of test read, which causes bus error (access violation) as expected, error handler does some MMU page reconfiguration and when handler exits, test read instruction restarts but it still causes bus error which probably shouldn't happen. (MMU table has been changed, bus error isn't exactly the same)

Toni Wilen · 28 August 2009, 21:43

It seems to work now (note that this isn't beta 11, ignore title bar text) but I am not sure if there is any point..

prowler · 28 August 2009, 22:00

Hi Toni,

The point is that if you can get this working, it might stimulate the development of an "official" Amiga Unix for the 68040.

gilgamesh · 29 August 2009, 08:40

You're great Toni, thanks!

I tried merging Aranym back by myself (which led exactly nowhere so far

), and now you took me completely by surprise.

Did you use Linux/m68k for that screenshot?

Toni Wilen · 29 August 2009, 09:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

You're great Toni, thanks!

I tried merging Aranym back by myself (which led exactly nowhere so far

), and now you took me completely by surprise.

Did you use Linux/m68k for that screenshot?

It is latest 68k Linux kernel from Aminet booted with amiboot. Kernel only, didn't bother with real installation.

Toni Wilen · 29 August 2009, 13:00

Beta 12 includes Linux compatible 68040 MMU.

If someone is interested with M68K Linux: please upload working Linux HDF (using SCSI or IDE emulated hardware) with basic utilities included, thanks

gilgamesh · 29 August 2009, 15:28

The last Debian with proper Amiga support was probably Slink. (Sarge has floppy installers for Atari only.) Let's see whether these installation instructions are useful.

EDIT: Sarge can be installed from HD. see here and load images from here

JohnF · 29 August 2009, 19:05

This is a rather old NetBSD kernel, but it did boot (note the details of sd0):

Toni Wilen · 29 August 2009, 21:04

Great

Mulib crash is due to bug in original Aranym MMU emulation (I sent report to original authors), this will be fixed in next beta.

22 August 2009, 13:22	#1
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	68030, 68040 and 68060 MMU support (really!) Aranym's 68040 MMU code was finally enabled today. (and executable size is now about 8 megabytes, 5th CPU core. yay..) No, it isn't really working yet but at least it gets as far as setpatch setting up MMU tables and then it does something weird.. No, JIT is not supported and never will. Note that I am not going to fix/update the code if it has some missing features that Amiga software requires. UPDATE: 68040.library works now, enforcer still causes infinite bus errors. Last edited by Toni Wilen; 22 August 2009 at 15:49.

24 August 2009, 16:06	#12
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	MMULib 68040.library does not seem to work but without sources it will be too time consuming task.. EDIT: what happens is that mmu.library or 68040.library does some kind of test read, which causes bus error (access violation) as expected, error handler does some MMU page reconfiguration and when handler exits, test read instruction restarts but it still causes bus error which probably shouldn't happen. (MMU table has been changed, bus error isn't exactly the same) Last edited by Toni Wilen; 24 August 2009 at 19:05.

28 August 2009, 21:43	#13
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	It seems to work now (note that this isn't beta 11, ignore title bar text) but I am not sure if there is any point.. Attached Thumbnails

29 August 2009, 15:28	#18
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	The last Debian with proper Amiga support was probably Slink. (Sarge has floppy installers for Atari only.) Let's see whether these installation instructions are useful. EDIT: Sarge can be installed from HD. see here and load images from here Last edited by gilgamesh; 29 August 2009 at 15:35.

29 August 2009, 19:05	#19
JohnF Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Posts: 23	This is a rather old NetBSD kernel, but it did boot (note the details of sd0): Attached Thumbnails

22 August 2009, 16:08	#2
Predabot Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Swedun' Posts: 397	Is Aranym another developer then? Some guy who decided to pitch in with some 68040-code? If so, cudos to him. Must be nice knowing you're not all alone in the world, trying to get Amiga-emulation to perfection.

22 August 2009, 16:13	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Aranym is (expanded) Atari ST/TT/Falcon emulator

23 August 2009, 12:05	#7
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Enforcer seems to work now. It is more than enough for me Problem reports will be posted here when beta is available.. (MMU is bonus feature that may or may not work in next official version)

23 August 2009, 22:12	#8
JohnF Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Posts: 23	If I get chance, I'll see if I can boot a NetBSD kernel, but that might be asking a lot...

24 August 2009, 08:22	#10
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	It is guaranteed to not boot yet (some instructions won't restart properly after bus error) but some kind of 68040 Unix/Linux installation would be nice compatibility test case.

24 August 2009, 14:23	#11
Mad-Matt Longplayer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lincoln / UK Age: 44 Posts: 1,846	I havent done much to stress mmu testing yet, but have tried a couple of things. MuMove4k (MMULIB Module) seems to cause a ramlib error (not mumove4k itself - just the effect of having it running with some other prog i havent identified yet). It will error on every boot if i manualy reboot but clicking reboot on the error message box, it will guru but then wb will load fine. Once working MuFastZero seems to work ok, but expansion.lib still seems stuck in chipmem even though sysinfo says Fast Mem (instead of usual 32bit fastmem). mmulib 68k libs in use (doesnt auto move vbr like phase5 libs do). lastly CPU FASTROM doesnt appear to do anything still. (tried a few 68040 libs). ill see if i can enable virtual memory in mac emu later (mmu enabled mode) and try Asp spectrum emu (Although i think that already works anyway without mmu)

28 August 2009, 22:00	#14
prowler Global Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sidcup, England Posts: 10,300	Hi Toni, The point is that if you can get this working, it might stimulate the development of an "official" Amiga Unix for the 68040.

29 August 2009, 08:40	#15
gilgamesh Linux snob Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Monkey Island Posts: 997	You're great Toni, thanks! I tried merging Aranym back by myself (which led exactly nowhere so far ), and now you took me completely by surprise. Did you use Linux/m68k for that screenshot?

29 August 2009, 13:00	#17
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Beta 12 includes Linux compatible 68040 MMU. If someone is interested with M68K Linux: please upload working Linux HDF (using SCSI or IDE emulated hardware) with basic utilities included, thanks

29 August 2009, 21:04	#20
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,502	Great Mulib crash is due to bug in original Aranym MMU emulation (I sent report to original authors), this will be fixed in next beta.

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