A3640 , Reverse engineered!

Chucky · 24 March 2017, 20:59

Well.. I was boored at the hotel on a businesstrip this week.

So. what to do? why not reverse engineer the A3640?

so.. here you can read: http://wordpress.hertell.nu/?page_id=514

With full editable cadfile for Sprint Layout. a simple electronics cad software that let you use a picture as background.. so I did it.

Enjoy!

Jope · 24 March 2017, 21:35

Thanks for putting in the hours. :-)

amigasith · 24 March 2017, 22:20

Awesome

Magic · 24 March 2017, 22:58

Thank you for all of the hard work! This will be very useful.

grelbfarlk · 24 March 2017, 23:18

So now there's a board design and the source for the GALs is available I think, though sadly not for Speedgeek's GALs. Someone combine those GALs into one larger CPLD and add some DMA SDRAM. And a SCSI controller. And a local bus expansion. And.

Chucky · 25 March 2017, 08:01

well.. that would be awesome if someone did this.. a opensourced 060 card for the Amiga would be moooost awesome

I guess there will be soome bugs and hickups in this. but will try to fix them. it was a total a pain to do this with 1366x768 resolution at the hotel

michaelz · 25 March 2017, 08:32

Wow, great job. I don't have a machine to put it, but very interested still.

plasmab · 25 March 2017, 22:57

awesome work.

Send be a bare board when you get a batch made up.

Chucky · 25 March 2017, 23:20

well as it is done now I am not sure if it is possible to do PCBs of it. vias are close etc. (and VCC/GND planes need some kind of rework) but I guess it will be possible to fix issues and do it.. it would be nice as hell to do a 3660 out of it.. and later change all GALs to a FPGA. add memory controller and. well. opensource the fuck out of it.

plasmab · 25 March 2017, 23:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chucky

well as it is done now I am not sure if it is possible to do PCBs of it. vias are close etc. (and VCC/GND planes need some kind of rework) but I guess it will be possible to fix issues and do it.. it would be nice as hell to do a 3660 out of it.. and later change all GALs to a FPGA. add memory controller and. well. opensource the fuck out of it.

Is it in Eagle? If it is email it to me and i'll do a DRC check then get DirtyPCBs to make it.. Start with the replica then build up.

wXR · 25 March 2017, 23:28

Amazing work chucky.

Pat the Cat · 25 March 2017, 23:46

Wow... very impressive.

Just puting up a link here if people want to check your schematic or get other Dave Haynie released A3640 stuff like PAL data etc.

http://www.thule.no/haynie/cpumods/a3640/

Pat the Cat · 26 March 2017, 00:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Is it in Eagle? If it is email it to me and i'll do a DRC check then get DirtyPCBs to make it.. Start with the replica then build up.

Alas no, it is a graphic image, not a board file.

There are ways to run 2D graphics into gerbr files, as I am sure you are aware.

The tricky bit is making sure the graphics files contain just the trace paths as an ink colour, over a background colour.

Probably hundreds of ways, that's just the one I'm familiar with.

plasmab · 26 March 2017, 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat the Cat

Alas no, it is a graphic image, not a board file.

There are ways to run 2D graphics into gerbr files, as I am sure you are aware.

The tricky bit is making sure the graphics files contain just the trace paths as an ink colour, over a background colour.

Probably hundreds of ways, that's just the one I'm familiar with.

Erm no. its a Sprint layout file not an image.

Pat the Cat · 26 March 2017, 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Erm no. its a Sprint layout file not an image.

So it is - in the zip marked "You can download it here".

At least, I assume that's what A3640.lay6 is?

I just saw the JPEGS in the zip and assumed otherwise.

Chucky · 26 March 2017, 00:43

It is made in sprint-layout of the simple reason: it have this nice feature of presenting a picture as background so you can trace from it. problem with sprint is that there are NO export function except gerber. but if ANYONE want that gerber files ask me and I will give them (mirrored or not) hopefully someone can use this to to more work out of it.

Anyway. sprint if kind of nice anyway.

plasmab · 26 March 2017, 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chucky

It is made in sprint-layout of the simple reason: it have this nice feature of presenting a picture as background so you can trace from it. problem with sprint is that there are NO export function except gerber. but if ANYONE want that gerber files ask me and I will give them (mirrored or not) hopefully someone can use this to to more work out of it.

Anyway. sprint if kind of nice anyway.

I've put this together as an eagle file. In order to verify this bad boy we'll need to reverse the schematic in eagle at some point.. anyways... its on my github now.

Mr.Flibble · 26 March 2017, 18:12

I did try loading up the OrCAD schematic from the Haynie files, but it wouldn't load.

Having a look at the file, it has hard-coded links to library documents, and more crucially, custom components libraries (E:\AMIGA\HARDWARE ARCHIVE\AMIGA.OLB for example), without access to these libraries, the OrCAD capture software just crashes out.

Unfortunately those weren't included in the Haynie files...

Chucky · 26 March 2017, 18:22

And that is why I decided to do this so we have some kind of file that loads in any software..

plasmab · 26 March 2017, 19:07

And I will recreate it using Johns traces

24 March 2017, 20:59	#1
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	A3640 , Reverse engineered! Well.. I was boored at the hotel on a businesstrip this week. So. what to do? why not reverse engineer the A3640? so.. here you can read: http://wordpress.hertell.nu/?page_id=514 With full editable cadfile for Sprint Layout. a simple electronics cad software that let you use a picture as background.. so I did it. Enjoy!

24 March 2017, 22:58	#4
Magic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA Posts: 359	Thank you for all of the hard work! This will be very useful. Last edited by Magic; 24 March 2017 at 23:06.

26 March 2017, 19:07	#20
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	And I will recreate it using Johns traces Last edited by plasmab; 29 November 2017 at 19:56.

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24 March 2017, 21:35	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Thanks for putting in the hours. :-)

24 March 2017, 22:20	#3
amigasith Registered User Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Wild South / Germany Age: 48 Posts: 271	Awesome

24 March 2017, 23:18	#5
grelbfarlk Registered User Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 2,902	So now there's a board design and the source for the GALs is available I think, though sadly not for Speedgeek's GALs. Someone combine those GALs into one larger CPLD and add some DMA SDRAM. And a SCSI controller. And a local bus expansion. And.

25 March 2017, 08:01	#6
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	well.. that would be awesome if someone did this.. a opensourced 060 card for the Amiga would be moooost awesome I guess there will be soome bugs and hickups in this. but will try to fix them. it was a total a pain to do this with 1366x768 resolution at the hotel

25 March 2017, 08:32	#7
michaelz Registered User Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Den Haag / Netherlands Posts: 193	Wow, great job. I don't have a machine to put it, but very interested still.

25 March 2017, 22:57	#8
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	awesome work. Send be a bare board when you get a batch made up.

25 March 2017, 23:20	#9
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	well as it is done now I am not sure if it is possible to do PCBs of it. vias are close etc. (and VCC/GND planes need some kind of rework) but I guess it will be possible to fix issues and do it.. it would be nice as hell to do a 3660 out of it.. and later change all GALs to a FPGA. add memory controller and. well. opensource the fuck out of it.

25 March 2017, 23:28	#11
wXR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New York Posts: 552	Amazing work chucky.

25 March 2017, 23:46	#12
Pat the Cat Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Nottingham, UK Posts: 481	Wow... very impressive. Just puting up a link here if people want to check your schematic or get other Dave Haynie released A3640 stuff like PAL data etc. http://www.thule.no/haynie/cpumods/a3640/

26 March 2017, 00:43	#16
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	It is made in sprint-layout of the simple reason: it have this nice feature of presenting a picture as background so you can trace from it. problem with sprint is that there are NO export function except gerber. but if ANYONE want that gerber files ask me and I will give them (mirrored or not) hopefully someone can use this to to more work out of it. Anyway. sprint if kind of nice anyway.

26 March 2017, 18:12	#18
Mr.Flibble Registered User Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: UK Posts: 472	I did try loading up the OrCAD schematic from the Haynie files, but it wouldn't load. Having a look at the file, it has hard-coded links to library documents, and more crucially, custom components libraries (E:\AMIGA\HARDWARE ARCHIVE\AMIGA.OLB for example), without access to these libraries, the OrCAD capture software just crashes out. Unfortunately those weren't included in the Haynie files...

26 March 2017, 18:22	#19
Chucky Registered User Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Karlstad / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 1,210	And that is why I decided to do this so we have some kind of file that loads in any software..

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