Details for the next generation of Flickerfixers from Individual Computers

MarkONE · 25 October 2010, 13:27

In a speach at the Amiwest2010, Jens Schoenefeld announced that the next generation of flickerfixer (scan doubler) for the A1200 and A400 will have a DVI port and will use DDR- instead of SD Ram.

Source: Amiganews

alexh · 25 October 2010, 14:29

I wonder if it will be a DVI-D port or a DVI-A port?

It would have to be a D, wouldn't it?

The DDR thing is probably just because it is cheaper than SDR and the FPGA can do it. Possibly because it could potentially use fewer pins. Probably not an end user feature.

korruptor · 25 October 2010, 14:52

Any dates?

Paul_s · 25 October 2010, 17:11

Still under development according to Jen's website...

Price is set at 149,90€

korruptor · 26 October 2010, 21:27

Gah, I'm gagging to get onto a decent monitor...

Cheers

Schoenfeld · 30 October 2010, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

I wonder if it will be a DVI-D port or a DVI-A port?

It'll be DVI-I, because I want this thing to work on both digital flat screens and analog CRTs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

The DDR thing is probably just because it is cheaper than SDR and the FPGA can do it. Possibly because it could potentially use fewer pins. Probably not an end user feature.

It's both fewer pins and higher speed. A 200MHz DDR chip is easy to come by, but the 200MHz SD-Rams that I'm using on Chameleon and the A1200 accelerators are *very* rare.

Jens

Retrofan · 31 October 2010, 00:59

Now it's when I discover why I should have left more threads and posts here. Yesterday (7 months after I bought my first Amiga) I discovered some people weren't at A-org (and why). (I will stay there still, of course).

Today I have just left a Thread here (and A-org) of WTB an Indivision Aga: I will tell I'm waiting for it for several months (they were supossed to be for sale on september) and when I knew Individual Computers were into the new accelerators, I thought the new Indivisions for A1200 won't be for sale till around June.

One simple question: Must I wait for the new ones or must I go for a second hand one?

EDIT: Well, I have to add I'll be buying one of the new accelerators when they'll be for sale too.

roberthazelby · 31 October 2010, 01:44

Amigakit tell me that they expect another batch of Indivision AGA cards in before Christmas.

Retrofan · 31 October 2010, 01:57

Good, good, good to know. I will delete my WTB then, but please can any other confirm please?

phipscube · 31 October 2010, 11:53

Jens, I don't know if you've thought about this, and if its something that can be easily implemented, but what would be really nice in the next gen Indivisions for A1200 is a pass through for BVision GFX cards with auto switching between AGA and the BVisions RTG (dependant on which is active) out to one DVI-I connector. What do you think?

Schoenfeld · 31 October 2010, 13:08

I've thought about it, and decided not to do it. Reason is that it would take too much explaining and it would only work for certain configurations.

If you have a DVI-connected screen, then you'd expect to get the Cybervision signal through that channel as well. This would require me to make a A-D conversion for the Cybervision signal on Indivision AGA - that's very expensive and it would still be the same (if not worse) quality.

Switching the signal would only work for analog, but then the benefit of DVI is gone. However, if you have a DVI flatscreen, you have two inputs anyway (one analog VGA and a digital DVI). What's so bad about selecting the source on the monitor?

What we could do (and this is actually the plan for the next updates of all Indivision cores) is that we provide a common API for all Indivision models that lets external software switch off the Sync signals, so an external monitor switch or the monitor itself can do an automatic selection. I'm assuming that DVI takes precedence over VGA on any modern flat screen, so this will provide the functionality that you're looking for.

Jens

phipscube · 31 October 2010, 22:03

Thanks for the explanation Jens. I'm just anal and like the idea of having everything out of one connection

Retrofan · 01 November 2010, 01:45

So I may understand that they still have a long way to go before we can see them? The Indivision boards are the replacements for Lisa and Denise in the Clone-A. Are they the most difficult progress to get the Clone-A project on it's way at this time?

Schoenfeld · 01 November 2010, 01:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

The Indivision boards are the replacements for Lisa and Denise in the Clone-A.

No, they are not. Only Indivision ECS contains a Denise. Indivision AGA does not contain a Lisa. The products are substantially different.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

Are they the most difficult progress to get the Clone-A project on it's way?

Clone-A development on the Amiga/Chipset side has been finished years ago. We're on the user interface, which is a ground breaking concept in FPGA computers. Don't pry, you won't get any more out of us ;-)

Jens

Retrofan · 01 November 2010, 02:30

Let me introduce myself: I'm an spanish guy that had a Commodore 64 as a dream to have around 27 years ago (I'm 41), and that had to stay with a 48k Spectrum. I bought a broken C64 last year as a replacement for my PC keyboard using the Keirah card, but I began to search in Google and started to search in english how to repair it, and I did. After some months I discovered the Amiga, which I never had. I have been only since march making progress with it (and my english). I've installed an internal Cd drive, 3 Cf configurations in different and large HD, modified standard PSU, Subway and a B1260. I don't have much time here, but the longer I stay, the more I love the Amiga scene.

I only tell all this to let you know it's a pleasure to know someone who is making so much for this great experience that the Amiga gives.

But... about the people like me that is waiting (won't ask for the Clone-A, and sorry for my knowledges about it, all I know is what I read) for so long time... How do the new Indivisions are going? They are now stopped for the accelerators, aren't they?

Thanks, and a pleasure.

kipper2k · 01 November 2010, 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retrofan

Now it's when I discover why I should have left more threads and posts here. Yesterday (7 months after I bought my first Amiga) I discovered some people weren't at A-org (and why). (I will stay there still, of course).

Today I have just left a Thread here (and A-org) of WTB an Indivision Aga: I will tell I'm waiting for it for several months (they were supossed to be for sale on september) and when I knew Individual Computers were into the new accelerators, I thought the new Indivisions for A1200 won't be for sale till around June.

One simple question: Must I wait for the new ones or must I go for a second hand one (if any want to give his opinion)?

EDIT: Well, I have to add I'll be buying one of the new accelerators when they'll be for sale too.

I have 3 of the A1200 indivision boards, i'll sell one to you but only for my cost which would be the cost of what i paid at Amigakit plus $40 customs and the shipping costs.

Retrofan · 01 November 2010, 11:24

Ok, PM sent.

frank_b · 01 November 2010, 13:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schoenfeld

No, they are not. Only Indivision ECS contains a Denise. Indivision AGA does not contain a Lisa. The products are substantially different.

Clone-A development on the Amiga/Chipset side has been finished years ago. We're on the user interface, which is a ground breaking concept in FPGA computers. Don't pry, you won't get any more out of us ;-)

Jens

New Amiga with new features and you'll have my cash for sure. Good luck

MarkONE · 01 November 2010, 13:46

A new "oldworld" amiga would be cool indeed!

Fabie · 02 November 2010, 08:57

I hope the new flickerfixer for the A1200 will be smaller in size and left space to connect the hardisk otherwise I will not purchase it

also I don't like the indivision startup screen...there is a delay and I don't like it.
that startup screen must be removed

25 October 2010, 13:27	#1
MarkONE Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 44	Details for the next generation of Flickerfixers from Individual Computers In a speach at the Amiwest2010, Jens Schoenefeld announced that the next generation of flickerfixer (scan doubler) for the A1200 and A400 will have a DVI port and will use DDR- instead of SD Ram. Source: Amiganews

31 October 2010, 00:59	#7
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,185	Now it's when I discover why I should have left more threads and posts here. Yesterday (7 months after I bought my first Amiga) I discovered some people weren't at A-org (and why). (I will stay there still, of course). Today I have just left a Thread here (and A-org) of WTB an Indivision Aga: I will tell I'm waiting for it for several months (they were supossed to be for sale on september) and when I knew Individual Computers were into the new accelerators, I thought the new Indivisions for A1200 won't be for sale till around June. One simple question: Must I wait for the new ones or must I go for a second hand one? EDIT: Well, I have to add I'll be buying one of the new accelerators when they'll be for sale too. Last edited by Retrofan; 20 November 2010 at 15:38.

31 October 2010, 01:57	#9
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,185	Good, good, good to know. I will delete my WTB then, but please can any other confirm please? Last edited by Retrofan; 20 November 2010 at 15:37.

01 November 2010, 01:45	#13
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,185	So I may understand that they still have a long way to go before we can see them? The Indivision boards are the replacements for Lisa and Denise in the Clone-A. Are they the most difficult progress to get the Clone-A project on it's way at this time? Last edited by Retrofan; 01 November 2010 at 01:54.

01 November 2010, 02:30	#15
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,185	Let me introduce myself: I'm an spanish guy that had a Commodore 64 as a dream to have around 27 years ago (I'm 41), and that had to stay with a 48k Spectrum. I bought a broken C64 last year as a replacement for my PC keyboard using the Keirah card, but I began to search in Google and started to search in english how to repair it, and I did. After some months I discovered the Amiga, which I never had. I have been only since march making progress with it (and my english). I've installed an internal Cd drive, 3 Cf configurations in different and large HD, modified standard PSU, Subway and a B1260. I don't have much time here, but the longer I stay, the more I love the Amiga scene. I only tell all this to let you know it's a pleasure to know someone who is making so much for this great experience that the Amiga gives. But... about the people like me that is waiting (won't ask for the Clone-A, and sorry for my knowledges about it, all I know is what I read) for so long time... How do the new Indivisions are going? They are now stopped for the accelerators, aren't they? Thanks, and a pleasure. Last edited by Retrofan; 01 November 2010 at 11:59.

25 October 2010, 14:29	#2
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,336	I wonder if it will be a DVI-D port or a DVI-A port? It would have to be a D, wouldn't it? The DDR thing is probably just because it is cheaper than SDR and the FPGA can do it. Possibly because it could potentially use fewer pins. Probably not an end user feature.

25 October 2010, 14:52	#3
korruptor TDI Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Blitter Town Posts: 124	Any dates?

25 October 2010, 17:11	#4
Paul_s Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Amigaville Age: 46 Posts: 3,334	Still under development according to Jen's website... Price is set at 149,90€

26 October 2010, 21:27	#5
korruptor TDI Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Blitter Town Posts: 124	Gah, I'm gagging to get onto a decent monitor... Cheers

31 October 2010, 01:44	#8
roberthazelby Amiga user since 1990 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bristol, England Age: 48 Posts: 364	Amigakit tell me that they expect another batch of Indivision AGA cards in before Christmas.

31 October 2010, 11:53	#10
phipscube WipEout Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ringsted / Denmark Age: 48 Posts: 263	Jens, I don't know if you've thought about this, and if its something that can be easily implemented, but what would be really nice in the next gen Indivisions for A1200 is a pass through for BVision GFX cards with auto switching between AGA and the BVisions RTG (dependant on which is active) out to one DVI-I connector. What do you think?

31 October 2010, 13:08	#11
Schoenfeld electricky. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: out in the wild Posts: 1,256	I've thought about it, and decided not to do it. Reason is that it would take too much explaining and it would only work for certain configurations. If you have a DVI-connected screen, then you'd expect to get the Cybervision signal through that channel as well. This would require me to make a A-D conversion for the Cybervision signal on Indivision AGA - that's very expensive and it would still be the same (if not worse) quality. Switching the signal would only work for analog, but then the benefit of DVI is gone. However, if you have a DVI flatscreen, you have two inputs anyway (one analog VGA and a digital DVI). What's so bad about selecting the source on the monitor? What we could do (and this is actually the plan for the next updates of all Indivision cores) is that we provide a common API for all Indivision models that lets external software switch off the Sync signals, so an external monitor switch or the monitor itself can do an automatic selection. I'm assuming that DVI takes precedence over VGA on any modern flat screen, so this will provide the functionality that you're looking for. Jens

31 October 2010, 22:03	#12
phipscube WipEout Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Ringsted / Denmark Age: 48 Posts: 263	Thanks for the explanation Jens. I'm just anal and like the idea of having everything out of one connection

01 November 2010, 11:24	#17
Retrofan Ruler of the Universe Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Lanzarote/Spain Posts: 6,185	Ok, PM sent.

01 November 2010, 13:46	#19
MarkONE Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 44	A new "oldworld" amiga would be cool indeed!

02 November 2010, 08:57	#20
Fabie Banned Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France Posts: 478	I hope the new flickerfixer for the A1200 will be smaller in size and left space to connect the hardisk otherwise I will not purchase it also I don't like the indivision startup screen...there is a delay and I don't like it. that startup screen must be removed

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