Parallax scrolling meant nothing to me until...

killergorilla · 05 January 2006, 03:20

THE AMIGA...

Anyone else the same? I was clueless! What was it until the amiga!?!

Jope · 05 January 2006, 08:51

I had parallax scrolling on the C-64 too. :-)

Photon · 05 January 2006, 12:36

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Originally Posted by Jope

I had parallax scrolling on the C-64 too. :-)

...for example in the game Parallax

7-Zark-7 · 05 January 2006, 15:54

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Originally Posted by Photon

...for example in the game Parallax

LOL! The perfect true commodore,(C64 & Miggy), fan response! Sorry KG, other's include Hawkeye, Flimbo's Quest, C64 SOTB conversion, C64 Wrath of the Demon, Turrican II,(brill ship flying levels),as later examples, though Sensible's aformentioned effort is definitely a notable earlier effort!

killergorilla · 05 January 2006, 22:40

I never had C64 to be honest, and I've only ever played on one about twice!

I was more of a BBC boy (hence the nick) and that certainly never mustered any type of parallax scrolling

so what was THE first game ever to use multiple layers of scrolling? One of the first I ever witnessed was SOTB, and it's still a great example of how to use it nicely

3dcandy · 05 January 2006, 23:37

erm...Parallax???

killergorilla · 06 January 2006, 01:30

I doubt it!

Parallax doesn't come from the name of the game, it's a term used for changes in where an object appears to be (I could have put that sooo much better!) I did all about it in stereo image processing.

gary · 06 January 2006, 03:17

Forbidden Forrest (C64) ?

Xenon · 06 January 2006, 13:23

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Originally Posted by killergorilla

so what was THE first game ever to use multiple layers of scrolling?

First game was... MOON PATROL from Irem. For me, an absolutely great game

guardiansknight · 06 January 2006, 15:46

^^moon patrol, didnt that appear on c64 as moon buggy? i loved that game as a kid!

killergorilla · 06 January 2006, 19:44

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Originally Posted by Xenon

First game was... MOON PATROL from Irem. For me, an absolutely great game

Ah good to know! I'll remember this!

Stein · 06 January 2006, 22:03

Joel Hagan (sp?) did an Amiga World article on how to do a paralax animation in DPaint years ago... it was a damn cool tut, I did a bunch of them, wish I still had them.

Photon · 07 January 2006, 12:53

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Originally Posted by 7-Zark-7

LOL! The perfect true commodore,(C64 & Miggy), fan response! Sorry KG, other's include Hawkeye, Flimbo's Quest, C64 SOTB conversion, C64 Wrath of the Demon, Turrican II,(brill ship flying levels),as later examples, though Sensible's aformentioned effort is definitely a notable earlier effort!

From a programmer's point of view, Flimbo's Quest had the coolest parallax scrolling ever

Coagulus · 07 January 2006, 14:51

I think BC's Quest.... had parallax on the Atari 8-bit, that was pretty early! And defender's starfield, does that count?

Xenon · 08 January 2006, 19:02

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Originally Posted by guardiansknight

^^moon patrol, didnt that appear on c64 as moon buggy? i loved that game as a kid!

There was a official version:

http://www.lemon64.com/games/details.php?ID=1710

but yes, Moon Buggy was very similar:

http://www.lemon64.com/games/details.php?ID=1707

Fred the Fop · 10 January 2006, 05:32

To me, parallax came into view on the Sega Genesis, via "Shadow of the Beast"

DrBong · 11 January 2006, 20:02

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Originally Posted by gary

Forbidden Forrest (C64) ?

Forbidden Forest was certainly the game on the C64 that first made me aware of parallax scrolling IIRC. Seemed to be always mentioned in the C64 mags whenever Forbidden Forest was talked about. I think it was made trendy (well on the C64 anyway) when Parallax became the subject of one of the "Diary of a Game" features in Zzap!64. I think Special FX went into some detail about how it was done or some such. Never thought much of the game, though, despite all the rave reviews it got!

Codetapper · 12 January 2006, 01:11

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Originally Posted by DrBong

Forbidden Forest was certainly the game on the C64 that first made me aware of parallax scrolling IIRC. Seemed to be always mentioned in the C64 mags whenever Forbidden Forest was talked about. I think it was made trendy (well on the C64 anyway) when Parallax became the subject of one of the "Diary of a Game" features in Zzap!64. I think Special FX went into some detail about how it was done or some such. Never thought much of the game, though, despite all the rave reviews it got!

Are you sure those facts are correct? Parallax was never a diary of a game in Zzap 64! Sensible Software wrote it, not Special FX.

My memory isn't 100% on this game but from what I remember the parallax effect was a hack anyway - it simply cycled through about 4 or 8 positions per tile. There was no "real" parallax where parts of the background could be seen through foreground - it was just a set of tiles that were redrawn every frame.

For real parallax effects you can view all the dual playfield mode games like Menace, Forgotten Worlds, Shadow of the Beast, Soccer Kid etc. You can clearly see the background layer through gaps in the front layer.

Most of the games that claim stuff like "20 layers of parallax" are just scrolling a tiny strip of grass at the bottom of the screen at different speeds which is very easy to do if nothing is ever drawn over the top of them. Games like Elfmania draw over the top of the parallax part which is a much more impressive effect to achieve on the Amiga.

12 January 2006, 05:49

I remember reading about the bit scaling, bit planes or what ever it was called and how the paralax scrolling was done along time ago, never programmed one. All I ever did was the raster interupt scrolls, on a C64 though.

MageMaster

DrBong · 12 January 2006, 16:49

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Originally Posted by Codetapper

Are you sure those facts are correct? Parallax was never a diary of a game in Zzap 64! Sensible Software wrote it, not Special FX.

My mistake....yes, Parallax was a Sensible game. Special FX were around at the same time and also producing games (Firefly, Gutz etc.) for Ocean, but weren't quite in the same league. If Parallax wasn't a diary of a game feature in Zzap, I'll bet they discussed the game in a Zzap interview. Fancy a wager on that one?!

I know I read something on this other than some news excerpt in Zzap. My memory's fading on some of these things, but I'm not at the stage yet of having fake repressed memories!

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My memory isn't 100% on this game but from what I remember the parallax effect was a hack anyway - it simply cycled through about 4 or 8 positions per tile. There was no "real" parallax where parts of the background could be seen through foreground - it was just a set of tiles that were redrawn every frame.

You're probably not far off the mark. With the way the mags hyped up this aspect of Parallax, I was quite disappointed when I actually saw the game. Probably best described as pseudo-parallax scrolling and noticeably different (read: inferior) to what was seen in Hawkeye, Wrath of the Demon and SOTB.

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05 January 2006, 08:51	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	I had parallax scrolling on the C-64 too. :-)

05 January 2006, 22:40	#5
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I never had C64 to be honest, and I've only ever played on one about twice! I was more of a BBC boy (hence the nick) and that certainly never mustered any type of parallax scrolling so what was THE first game ever to use multiple layers of scrolling? One of the first I ever witnessed was SOTB, and it's still a great example of how to use it nicely

05 January 2006, 23:37	#6
3dcandy Zone Friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cannock Age: 55 Posts: 42	erm...Parallax???

06 January 2006, 01:30	#7
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I doubt it! Parallax doesn't come from the name of the game, it's a term used for changes in where an object appears to be (I could have put that sooo much better!) I did all about it in stereo image processing.

06 January 2006, 03:17	#8
gary Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Perth, Western Australia Age: 50 Posts: 283	Forbidden Forrest (C64) ?

06 January 2006, 15:46	#10
guardiansknight Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Sunderland Age: 43 Posts: 53	^^moon patrol, didnt that appear on c64 as moon buggy? i loved that game as a kid!

06 January 2006, 22:03	#12
Stein Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: US Posts: 56	Joel Hagan (sp?) did an Amiga World article on how to do a paralax animation in DPaint years ago... it was a damn cool tut, I did a bunch of them, wish I still had them.

07 January 2006, 14:51	#14
Coagulus Gets there in the end... Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 862	I think BC's Quest.... had parallax on the Atari 8-bit, that was pretty early! And defender's starfield, does that count?

10 January 2006, 05:32	#16
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	To me, parallax came into view on the Sega Genesis, via "Shadow of the Beast"

12 January 2006, 05:49	#19
MageMaster Posts: n/a	I remember reading about the bit scaling, bit planes or what ever it was called and how the paralax scrolling was done along time ago, never programmed one. All I ever did was the raster interupt scrolls, on a C64 though. MageMaster

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