Games that are better from ADF than WHDLoad

Marchie · 27 November 2019, 00:12

Hi All,

I have recently been playing Golden Axe on my A1200 and I noticed that the game is noticeably better running off gotek than WHDload:

* It runs faster (to be expected because WHDload slows the machine down for compatibility if I understand correctly?).
* The sound is noticeably better - this really surprised me - the WHDload version sounds about half-quality compared to the adf (real floppy on my A1000 sounds crappy just like WHDload). It's like the samples have gone from 8-bit to 16-bit on the adf version (yes, I know this isn't actually possible).

Final fight also has missing title music in the WHDload version (and again, slows down more).

Has anyone else noticed this?

Are there any other games known to play (sound?) better from disk images?

ransom1122 · 27 November 2019, 00:37

Dragon Ninja, ADF Has music, Whdload Doesn't.

Correct me if I'm wrong?

DamienD · 27 November 2019, 00:47

I could name many but can't be bothered...

WHDLoad is great and all that; and enables people with real A1200's / higher spec Amiga's to play older OCS / ECS games but... it comes at a cost:

Sometimes crazy amounts of RAM are required for games that would usually run with 512KB - 2MB Chip / 4MB Fast RAM max; otherwise the game won't even start or has "screen flashing".
Loads way too fast so you miss cool tunes etc.
Missing title screens / other parts; off the top of my head, "Pinball Prelude (Disk 1 - Past)" / "Pinball Prelude (Disk 2 - Present)" / "Pinball Prelude (Disk 3 - Future)".

Personally I stick to ADFs + "native" installs and only use WHDLoad if major bug fixes have occurred which are not in the disk / native versions... but I have that luxury as I only emulate these days, so can switch to any Amiga model / configuration very easily.

lmimmfn · 27 November 2019, 02:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122

Dragon Ninja, ADF Has music, Whdload Doesn't.

Correct me if I'm wrong?

Beta version in the zone has the music

Marchie · 27 November 2019, 04:41

I'm curious as to how or why the adf would have better music than the original disk? (floppy on an A1000/1.5meg compared to adf on A1200/10meg)

MickGyver · 27 November 2019, 07:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marchie

I'm curious as to how or why the adf would have better music than the original disk? (floppy on an A1000/1.5meg compared to adf on A1200/10meg)

Perhaps the low pass filter on the audio output is enabled when running from the original disk and disabled when running from the version you have on adf.

Superman · 27 November 2019, 11:05

The final fight missing music has been fixed now. Make sure you download the 1mb version.

jotd · 27 November 2019, 11:13

open a mantis ticket when this happens. It's just a memory issue most of the time.

sneckburger · 27 November 2019, 15:42

The Settlers. - Level codes don't input (keyboard doesn't input the code)

Theme Park AGA - Grinds to a halt after 5 minutes.

Daedalus · 27 November 2019, 16:36

I'm not sure about Settlers, but Theme Park has its own HD installer anyway. I played that from hard drive back in the day without any issues.

DamienD · 27 November 2019, 16:39

Yup, The Settlers has it's own HD installer too and that's what I use

Quote:

Originally Posted by HD notes

HD install is on disk 1.

Retro-Nerd · 27 November 2019, 17:39

Only if there are still bugs in a WHDLoad slave. A perfekt WHDLoad patch is always better than a tedious disk image with trackloader.

wiz12 · 27 November 2019, 18:20

I've noticed that with 'The Settlers' and 'K240' WHDLoad versions when saving a game the screen tends to flash a lot and sometimes the save will fail for me anyways.

Retro-Nerd · 27 November 2019, 18:22

Which slave version for Settlers? Stingrays v1.6 slave works fine for me (no more keyboard input/save game issues). Black Flashes during the first save in a save slot is normal. The second time you save (same slot) it's smooth.

wiz12 · 27 November 2019, 18:28

Yeah the latest version 1.6, though I did have a fastATA connected which might be the cause.

When saving these games does the screen normally flash?

Retro-Nerd · 27 November 2019, 18:34

Yes, WHDLoad is doing some switches to the OS while creating a new save in a slot. If you save again in the same slot it's much faster than.

jotd · 27 November 2019, 19:05

don't report whdload issues here anyway. Check if the issue exists in mantis, and if not, create one.

I'm aware of Theme Park issues, but I couldn't reproduce them.

d4rk3lf · 28 November 2019, 14:58

I only had trouble with Dune 2, and Whdload version run very slow on my A500 + Aca 500+.
Once I installed the Adf version, game run much much faster.

Other games - perfect so far

Actually, I couldn't run Birds of Pray, and it says it needs 020 processor... I think it should run on 68000. But haven't tried to download any other version, so it might be an easy fix (just downloading some other version)

zipper · 28 November 2019, 15:43

Original BoP just requires 1 MB, works on A1000, 500 etc, OCS/ECS. It's a 1991 game.

Photon · 28 November 2019, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marchie

Hi All,

I have recently been playing Golden Axe on my A1200 and I noticed that the game is noticeably better running off gotek than WHDload:

* It runs faster (to be expected because WHDload slows the machine down for compatibility if I understand correctly?).
* The sound is noticeably better - this really surprised me - the WHDload version sounds about half-quality compared to the adf (real floppy on my A1000 sounds crappy just like WHDload). It's like the samples have gone from 8-bit to 16-bit on the adf version (yes, I know this isn't actually possible).

Final fight also has missing title music in the WHDload version (and again, slows down more).

Has anyone else noticed this?

Are there any other games known to play (sound?) better from disk images?

WHDLoad is always better, as long as the slave has no issues starting or finishing the game (on your Amiga model). If they have issues, report them on here on EAB.

Looks like you've found some with issues, but always check on whdload.de if you're running the latest slave version, so you're not running a pack someone made in 2011 or so.

Not all games are WHDified, and if you find one ask for it to be. Hopefully some of the WHDHeroes can donate some of their time to make it so.

Sometimes there are improvements in the WHDLoad version, like getting the latest version of each game (where the author fixed and released this version), mission disks that you never saw before, etc.

Then there's the same expectation from getting a loading screen as in modern games. Sometimes from after seeing the intro, sometimes from completing something in the game, "I did it! What's coming next...?"

In defense of the floppy, I would say also that having a gaming Amiga ready with 50 curated floppy games and picking out a disk to play can be faster and simpler than booting into WB and navigate to the game, at least if you have hundreds or thousands of games installed.

27 November 2019, 00:12	#1
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 591	Games that are better from ADF than WHDLoad Hi All, I have recently been playing Golden Axe on my A1200 and I noticed that the game is noticeably better running off gotek than WHDload: * It runs faster (to be expected because WHDload slows the machine down for compatibility if I understand correctly?). * The sound is noticeably better - this really surprised me - the WHDload version sounds about half-quality compared to the adf (real floppy on my A1000 sounds crappy just like WHDload). It's like the samples have gone from 8-bit to 16-bit on the adf version (yes, I know this isn't actually possible). Final fight also has missing title music in the WHDload version (and again, slows down more). Has anyone else noticed this? Are there any other games known to play (sound?) better from disk images?

27 November 2019, 00:47	#3
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	I could name many but can't be bothered... WHDLoad is great and all that; and enables people with real A1200's / higher spec Amiga's to play older OCS / ECS games but... it comes at a cost: Sometimes crazy amounts of RAM are required for games that would usually run with 512KB - 2MB Chip / 4MB Fast RAM max; otherwise the game won't even start or has "screen flashing". Loads way too fast so you miss cool tunes etc. Missing title screens / other parts; off the top of my head, "Pinball Prelude (Disk 1 - Past)" / "Pinball Prelude (Disk 2 - Present)" / "Pinball Prelude (Disk 3 - Future)". Personally I stick to ADFs + "native" installs and only use WHDLoad if major bug fixes have occurred which are not in the disk / native versions... but I have that luxury as I only emulate these days, so can switch to any Amiga model / configuration very easily.

27 November 2019, 18:22	#14
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	Which slave version for Settlers? Stingrays v1.6 slave works fine for me (no more keyboard input/save game issues). Black Flashes during the first save in a save slot is normal. The second time you save (same slot) it's smooth. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 27 November 2019 at 19:08.

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27 November 2019, 00:37	#2
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,858	Dragon Ninja, ADF Has music, Whdload Doesn't. Correct me if I'm wrong?

27 November 2019, 04:41	#5
Marchie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sydney / London Posts: 591	I'm curious as to how or why the adf would have better music than the original disk? (floppy on an A1000/1.5meg compared to adf on A1200/10meg)

27 November 2019, 11:05	#7
Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 49 Posts: 1,334	The final fight missing music has been fixed now. Make sure you download the 1mb version.

27 November 2019, 11:13	#8
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,329	open a mantis ticket when this happens. It's just a memory issue most of the time.

27 November 2019, 15:42	#9
sneckburger Registered User Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Wakefield Posts: 203	The Settlers. - Level codes don't input (keyboard doesn't input the code) Theme Park AGA - Grinds to a halt after 5 minutes.

27 November 2019, 16:36	#10
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,374	I'm not sure about Settlers, but Theme Park has its own HD installer anyway. I played that from hard drive back in the day without any issues.

27 November 2019, 17:39	#12
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	Only if there are still bugs in a WHDLoad slave. A perfekt WHDLoad patch is always better than a tedious disk image with trackloader.

27 November 2019, 18:20	#13
wiz12 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Ireland Posts: 756	I've noticed that with 'The Settlers' and 'K240' WHDLoad versions when saving a game the screen tends to flash a lot and sometimes the save will fail for me anyways.

27 November 2019, 18:28	#15
wiz12 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Ireland Posts: 756	Yeah the latest version 1.6, though I did have a fastATA connected which might be the cause. When saving these games does the screen normally flash?

27 November 2019, 18:34	#16
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,453	Yes, WHDLoad is doing some switches to the OS while creating a new save in a slot. If you save again in the same slot it's much faster than.

27 November 2019, 19:05	#17
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,329	don't report whdload issues here anyway. Check if the issue exists in mantis, and if not, create one. I'm aware of Theme Park issues, but I couldn't reproduce them.

28 November 2019, 14:58	#18
d4rk3lf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Novi Sad, Serbia Posts: 1,667	I only had trouble with Dune 2, and Whdload version run very slow on my A500 + Aca 500+. Once I installed the Adf version, game run much much faster. Other games - perfect so far Actually, I couldn't run Birds of Pray, and it says it needs 020 processor... I think it should run on 68000. But haven't tried to download any other version, so it might be an easy fix (just downloading some other version)

28 November 2019, 15:43	#19
zipper Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: finland Posts: 1,841	Original BoP just requires 1 MB, works on A1000, 500 etc, OCS/ECS. It's a 1991 game.

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