if msx games was ported to amiga ?

[turrican3]

gng msx turbo r : [ Show youtube player ]

[h0ffman]

Although the scrolling was bad on the Nemesis / Gradius MSX games, they had much better game play and story than any of the other versions out there. Nemesis II is probably the best of the bunch IMO.

I can't imagine that an OCS Amiga couldn't handle a 1:1 port of most of these games. I even considered doing one for the original Super mario Bros on the NES as there is a complete resource with comments online. My only trouble is I'm not that talented a coder (and don't have time).

I think if you could in some way convert the Z80 -> 68000 then the game engine underneath remains intact. Then it's a case of converting graphics and drawing routines. Sound could be added after that.

Sounds simple enough but I'm sure it's INCREDIBLY complicated.

[Hewitson]

I have no idea about the MSX graphics hardware but I'm assuming that it would be considerably more difficult to convert the graphics on-the-fly to an Amiga-compatible format than with an ST conversion.

Regarding the code, it might be easiest to write a simple Z80 to 68000 converter, and then edit/optimise where necessary. Beats rewriting the whole thing.

[LieutLaww]

I still have pretty much every Konami game for the MSX that was available in the UK in storage alongside my Toshiba HX-10

[h0ffman]

Originally Posted by Hewitson

I have no idea about the MSX graphics hardware but I'm assuming that it would be considerably more difficult to convert the graphics on-the-fly to an Amiga-compatible format than with an ST conversion.

Regarding the code, it might be easiest to write a simple Z80 to 68000 converter, and then edit/optimise where necessary. Beats rewriting the whole thing.

That's the principal I was thinking of. I'm pretty sure it's just char map sprites on the msx, hence the chunky 8 pixel "scrolling"

This is something I'd really love to do but just dont know enough about z80 or the hardware to get started.

[gimbal]

Don't forget about Eggerland Mystery, what a wonderful puzzle game! Spent AGES on it.

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This thread is making me want to fire up BlueMSX again.

[turrican3]

wip of super mario world msx turbo R !!!
seems really good.
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[Photon]

Originally Posted by h0ffman

That's the principal I was thinking of. I'm pretty sure it's just char map sprites on the msx, hence the chunky 8 pixel "scrolling"

This is something I'd really love to do but just dont know enough about z80 or the hardware to get started.

Translation of instructions has only ever worked - for copycat CPUs with a superset of the original CPU instruction set - in a very limited and standardized zero-hardware environment (character I/O in standardized "pipes").

If you did this and emulated the hardware, the chunky scrolling would be kept and the 68000 would struggle. A 68000 @ 7MHz is - twice as fast as a Z80 at 3.5 MHz...

If I had to play the exact same game on a non-MSX machine, I'd do it in an emulator.

Just seems a bit pointless if the port doesn't improve at least the scrolling and sprite flicker. And then you can't use most of the in-game code, and the rest of the code is usually trivial, much quicker to write some intro screen+music code than struggle with Z80 translation mending for that.

The best approach is to do it like porters did in the 80s: grab the gfx and either nick the code for the game logic or playtest it out, then write the game in a sleepless frenzy for 3 months. No, I'm not volunteering for the job

[LieutLaww]

When i first had my Amiga i was considering doing a port of The Maze of Galious, i wonder if i still have the gfx i had started to convert on one of my floppies in storage.

[turrican3]

by the way guys, is there a possibility to run "metal gear 2" (msx) with

amimsx ?

[britelite]

Originally Posted by turrican3

by the way guys, is there a possibility to run "metal gear 2" (msx) with

amimsx ?

Why not download amimsx and try for yourself?

[turrican3]

Originally Posted by britelite

Why not download amimsx and try for yourself?

I tried with different settings !!! But it still doesn't work.
But someone could have an idea to make it work.
It's not because i failed that it's impossible that others succeed.
That's the reason why forums like this exist, no ??? Help each others ?
Your question is strange ! why did you assume that i didn't try ??

[britelite]

Originally Posted by turrican3

Your question is strange ! why did you assume that i didn't try ??

Because you gave no indication of having tried it out yourself. In general, it's a good idea to actually tell what you've done when having tried something unsuccessfully, as that will be useful when trying to help you. To quote one famous WinUAE author: Not enough information

[DanyPPC]

Tested successfully on AmiMSX 3.1 (Matra version).

Insert the cartridge rom file of Metal Gear 2 and choose "SCC 2" from the Top Cartridge menù.
Power ON and play

[turrican3]

Ok no problem guys. I found it too !!!
scc2 mapper !
some screens from winuae:

[Shatterhand]

Metal Gear 2 is just so freaking good. Still an awesome game even when played today.

The original Metal Gear did age a bit, some of its puzzles are too cryptic (The one using the radio antenna is a big fuck you, I still wonder how the hell I figured that out back in the day - and the fact the player may screw up the game to the point of becoming impossible to finish it is also a no-no), the bosses are too easy and the whole stealth thing can be ignored for like 80% of the game when you know how to play it. Of course,it was FREAKING INCREDIBLE when it first came out and there was nothing like it before, so I'll cut it a lot of slack

But Metal Gear 2 is pure gold. Still is. Best Swan Song Konami could had given to the MSX.

[turrican3]

the msx still kicking !!!
msx2, msx2+ and R game :
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impressive for a msx game
there is a playable demo but can't find it !!!
I'll have a look.

[DanyPPC]

Yes, but this game works only with a V9990 graphic board.