ClassicWB True AGA versions..........

Bloodwych · 24 July 2003, 23:48

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EDIT - This is an old development thread. The new ClassicWB packages are available from here

I've done a few quick updates allowing Copper backgrounds to the Classic WB packages making these versions AGA only (current packages support ECS chipset):

As you can see, all the cool features like games, filetype recognition, newicon support ect are still there, it's just now they're backed up with a few million colours!

Again I've done a low res (PAL/NTSC/TV 16 colours) and high Res (640x512/480 32 colours) versions with the latter shown above.

For those of you not familiar with the ClassicWB, read about them here

Generally speaking, these are WB packages for REAL Amiga's with 68020 or above processors and ECS/AGA chipsets. They do run happily in WinUAE however and if you want the Classic feel of the original Workbench 3 then look no further.

yadster · 25 July 2003, 09:29

They look absolutely stunning. I already have one of your Classic WB's installed on my Miggy but will no doubt 'upgrade' when you release them. Thanks for your hard work.

rattus · 25 July 2003, 09:40

I LOVE YOU BLOODWYCH!!!!!

I really really do. Can I have your children? Please!?

*glomps* ^_~

MethodGit · 25 July 2003, 14:21

Yay! What a nice "early-morning-sunrise" backdrop it adopts now.

Bloodwych · 25 July 2003, 14:48

Thanks peeps, but it's also a real tribute to the Amiga scene and all the addons and power toys available! Workbench 3 is truly a customisable masterpiece, especially if you can write a few scripts

. So respect to all those who make setups like this possible!

Here are some screens from the low resolution version:

And I have a dilemma. See the first two screens? Spot the difference.

Shall I go with the grey background menus or the fully blown multicolour variety. The reason I'm afraid to leave it in full colour is that although it may look good on a PC monitor, it might warp/bleed on normal TV sets, making the text hard to read and the WB a little too high contrast and bright.

Grey is boring but safe and easy on the eyes.

I'm probably going to upload these as addon packs to the original ones already available, thus dramatically cutting down on upload time and hammering my freakin crappy 56K modem. All it will do is copy over some new files and when you reboot..................colour baby!

Echo · 25 July 2003, 14:49

That's gotta be Copperdaemon if memory serves

Bloodwych · 25 July 2003, 14:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Echo
That's gotta be Copperdaemon if memory serves

Absolutely, it's right there in the bottom right hand corner for easy accessibility (enable disable) in case of compatibility issues. It can be a pain in the arse getting it to map the colours only where you want them.

Anyone know of a good utility that allows the Amiga to reset and run a proggy with full chipram? It may be needed for the high res version, although not very often as it still boots with 1800K+ chip.

rattus · 25 July 2003, 22:25

hmmm... I'm just wondering if I can have the pretty copper backgrounds on the hi-rez version while running MagicTV...?

Proper scandoublers/monitors are too expensive but I don't know if 16 colours (MagicTV's limit) will be enough for copperdemon...

If not then I will be happy with the low-rez version

Bloodwych · 28 July 2003, 16:02

That's one of the reasons I left Copper Demon out last year - it looks great but can cause issues with MagicTV. Also it doesn't work with ECS, certain programs that want to close Workbench can't, slight compatibility issues arise occasionally and the need for higher screen mode colours.

Still, after testing it out on my A1200, in the very rare circumstances where problems do arise it can be disabled very quickly so it's definitely worth it. These update packs will give people the choice to add it if they have the AGA chipset.

I wouldn't use MagicTV anyway Rattus, stick to the low res version if you have a TV. Ok, it helps but an interlaced screen is still going to hurt and the text hard to read. Plus the low res version has low contrast with the gray icons, which works better on TV's.

The addon/update packs are good to go and should be available shortly. Two packs exist:

Copper_ADV_V1.rar 3.8 MB For the Classic WB Advanced (high res).

Copper_FULL_V1.rar 3.7 MB For the Classic WB FULL (low res).

Each contains a zip file named Copper.zip and an install disk. In a similar fashion to the ClassicWB install procedure, you simply copy the Copper.zip to your harddrive and run the install disk. It won't ask for a WB3.0 disk this time.

When you reboot, get those shades out because it's going to be colour overload.................

rattus · 28 July 2003, 16:33

many thanks Bloodwych! I can't wait to try it!

Unknown_K · 29 July 2003, 05:57

How well would this run on an A1200 with 030/50 and 32mb ram?

Bloodwych · 29 July 2003, 10:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Unknown_K
How well would this run on an A1200 with 030/50 and 32mb ram?

It runs perfect (ie fast) on my A1200 with 10 MB RAM and a bog standard 68020, so no problems for you Unknown.

The min specs for all versions are listed on the abime download page. These addon packs don't change the minimum specs required.

RCK · 29 July 2003, 13:56

Pack added to http://download.abime.net/

Bloodwych · 29 July 2003, 14:50

How cool is Rck?

Thanks for hosting the files and the splendid presentation.

Now I just keep my fingers crossed that no one has any problems. This seems like a good time to add a disclaimer:

I, Bloodwych, am in no way responsible for any issues that may arise from installing these update packs - you do so at your own risk. Although I've tested them on a fresh ClassicWB install, I have no way of knowing how they'll affect those who have customized/updated the ClassicWB after it's initial install.

I can however, GUARANTEE NO SPYWARE IS INCLUDED. Well, not much anyway (joking)

SO BE WARNED!!!!!

Bloodwych · 01 August 2003, 12:42

All the Classic WB packs have been updated and improved. If you already have the previous ones installed then I wouldn't bother updating as the changes are small but you may want the packages for future use:

* Improved install disks - asks for Workbench 3 disk BEFORE unpacking files.
* Changed tools menu layout
* Visual Prefs removed - no longer required and found some compatibility issues. Frees up memory.
* Removed some redundant files.
* Minor improvements to filetypes/Dopus setup.
* Copper packs reduced in size to 1.22 MB.

I'm a perfectionist and needed to sort out a few non-critical issues. Area's where you might want to keep the WB up-to-date are:

WHDload
Smart File System
ScalOS
Virus Ex

Please ignore how the version numbers have jumped higher by quite a margin in some cases (eg Classic_ADV) - I decided to bring them in line with my private versions.

RCK seems to rename the "LITE" version "MINI". Is this because LITE has some unfortunate meaning in another language?? Like animal litter?

Anyway thanks as always RCK for hosting the files.

RCK · 01 August 2003, 15:04

lol, i don't know where this MINI come from ! Fixed

Syko · 04 August 2003, 22:11

Hey Bloodwych, that's almost worth going back to WB3.0 instead of OS3.9

very, very nice though! and I might just try it on the A500+

Syko · 04 August 2003, 22:15

Bugger, just read min spec. Bah, humbug!

Unknown_K · 04 August 2003, 22:20

Quote:

Originally posted by Syko
Bugger, just read min spec. Bah, humbug!

What part screwed you? Needing the os 3 disks or the expanded memory?

Syko · 04 August 2003, 22:33

020 and AGA.... it's a 500+ w/ 2MB chip and 8MB fast +52MB HD in a GVP series II

24 July 2003, 23:48	#1
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Classic WB 3.0 True AGA versions.......... * ** * EDIT - This is an old development thread. The new ClassicWB packages are available from here** I've done a few quick updates allowing Copper backgrounds to the Classic WB packages making these versions AGA only (current packages support ECS chipset): As you can see, all the cool features like games, filetype recognition, newicon support ect are still there, it's just now they're backed up with a few million colours! Again I've done a low res (PAL/NTSC/TV 16 colours) and high Res (640x512/480 32 colours) versions with the latter shown above. For those of you not familiar with the ClassicWB, read about them here Generally speaking, these are WB packages for REAL Amiga's with 68020 or above processors and ECS/AGA chipsets. They do run happily in WinUAE however and if you want the Classic feel of the original Workbench 3 then look no further. Last edited by Bloodwych; 04 August 2004 at 20:56.

25 July 2003, 09:29	#2
yadster Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Yorkshire UK Age: 54 Posts: 160	nice They look absolutely stunning. I already have one of your Classic WB's installed on my Miggy but will no doubt 'upgrade' when you release them. Thanks for your hard work.

29 July 2003, 14:50	#14
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	How cool is Rck? Thanks for hosting the files and the splendid presentation. Now I just keep my fingers crossed that no one has any problems. This seems like a good time to add a disclaimer: I, Bloodwych, am in no way responsible for any issues that may arise from installing these update packs - you do so at your own risk. Although I've tested them on a fresh ClassicWB install, I have no way of knowing how they'll affect those who have customized/updated the ClassicWB after it's initial install. I can however, GUARANTEE NO SPYWARE IS INCLUDED. Well, not much anyway (joking) SO BE WARNED!!!!! Last edited by Bloodwych; 04 August 2003 at 23:51.

01 August 2003, 12:42	#15
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	All the Classic WB packs have been updated and improved. If you already have the previous ones installed then I wouldn't bother updating as the changes are small but you may want the packages for future use: * Improved install disks - asks for Workbench 3 disk BEFORE unpacking files. * Changed tools menu layout * Visual Prefs removed - no longer required and found some compatibility issues. Frees up memory. * Removed some redundant files. * Minor improvements to filetypes/Dopus setup. * Copper packs reduced in size to 1.22 MB. I'm a perfectionist and needed to sort out a few non-critical issues. Area's where you might want to keep the WB up-to-date are: WHDload Smart File System ScalOS Virus Ex Please ignore how the version numbers have jumped higher by quite a margin in some cases (eg Classic_ADV) - I decided to bring them in line with my private versions. RCK seems to rename the "LITE" version "MINI". Is this because LITE has some unfortunate meaning in another language?? Like animal litter? Anyway thanks as always RCK for hosting the files. Last edited by Bloodwych; 27 October 2003 at 16:50.

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25 July 2003, 09:40	#3
rattus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 328	I LOVE YOU BLOODWYCH!!!!! I really really do. Can I have your children? Please!? glomps ^_~

25 July 2003, 14:21	#4
MethodGit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The Streets Age: 40 Posts: 2,731	Yay! What a nice "early-morning-sunrise" backdrop it adopts now.

25 July 2003, 14:48	#5
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Thanks peeps, but it's also a real tribute to the Amiga scene and all the addons and power toys available! Workbench 3 is truly a customisable masterpiece, especially if you can write a few scripts . So respect to all those who make setups like this possible! Here are some screens from the low resolution version: And I have a dilemma. See the first two screens? Spot the difference. Shall I go with the grey background menus or the fully blown multicolour variety. The reason I'm afraid to leave it in full colour is that although it may look good on a PC monitor, it might warp/bleed on normal TV sets, making the text hard to read and the WB a little too high contrast and bright. Grey is boring but safe and easy on the eyes. I'm probably going to upload these as addon packs to the original ones already available, thus dramatically cutting down on upload time and hammering my freakin crappy 56K modem. All it will do is copy over some new files and when you reboot..................colour baby!

25 July 2003, 14:49	#6
Echo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South-West Wales Posts: 382	That's gotta be Copperdaemon if memory serves

25 July 2003, 22:25	#8
rattus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 328	hmmm... I'm just wondering if I can have the pretty copper backgrounds on the hi-rez version while running MagicTV...? Proper scandoublers/monitors are too expensive but I don't know if 16 colours (MagicTV's limit) will be enough for copperdemon... If not then I will be happy with the low-rez version

28 July 2003, 16:02	#9
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	That's one of the reasons I left Copper Demon out last year - it looks great but can cause issues with MagicTV. Also it doesn't work with ECS, certain programs that want to close Workbench can't, slight compatibility issues arise occasionally and the need for higher screen mode colours. Still, after testing it out on my A1200, in the very rare circumstances where problems do arise it can be disabled very quickly so it's definitely worth it. These update packs will give people the choice to add it if they have the AGA chipset. I wouldn't use MagicTV anyway Rattus, stick to the low res version if you have a TV. Ok, it helps but an interlaced screen is still going to hurt and the text hard to read. Plus the low res version has low contrast with the gray icons, which works better on TV's. The addon/update packs are good to go and should be available shortly. Two packs exist: Copper_ADV_V1.rar 3.8 MB For the Classic WB Advanced (high res). Copper_FULL_V1.rar 3.7 MB For the Classic WB FULL (low res). Each contains a zip file named Copper.zip and an install disk. In a similar fashion to the ClassicWB install procedure, you simply copy the Copper.zip to your harddrive and run the install disk. It won't ask for a WB3.0 disk this time. When you reboot, get those shades out because it's going to be colour overload.................

28 July 2003, 16:33	#10
rattus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 328	many thanks Bloodwych! I can't wait to try it!

29 July 2003, 05:57	#11
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	How well would this run on an A1200 with 030/50 and 32mb ram?

29 July 2003, 13:56	#13
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,093	Pack added to http://download.abime.net/

01 August 2003, 15:04	#16
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,093	lol, i don't know where this MINI come from ! Fixed

04 August 2003, 22:11	#17
Syko Now got GSX750F :)) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Halifax UK Age: 60 Posts: 584	Hey Bloodwych, that's almost worth going back to WB3.0 instead of OS3.9 very, very nice though! and I might just try it on the A500+

04 August 2003, 22:15	#18
Syko Now got GSX750F :)) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Halifax UK Age: 60 Posts: 584	Bugger, just read min spec. Bah, humbug!

04 August 2003, 22:33	#20
Syko Now got GSX750F :)) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Halifax UK Age: 60 Posts: 584	020 and AGA.... it's a 500+ w/ 2MB chip and 8MB fast +52MB HD in a GVP series II

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