Shinobi Arcade Conversion

Legionary · 31 March 2020, 07:23

Hi everyone.

Many years ago (1999 i think), i was dreaming of an arcade conversion of shinobi for amiga, but due to laziness i didn't bother about it. Is it possible? I mean the amiga conversion was a huge disaster and i rather play the c64 version which are superior in my opinion.

Now then rygar is done, it might not be impossible to make it happen???
Ryggar btw, is a really nice game.

Tolls · 31 March 2020, 09:47

Hmm, just looked at the Amiga version of Shinobi and yeah, it does look pretty bad. Gameplay looks ok-ish (but slow), and the gfx and are terrible along with the jerky scrolling.

It should have been a much better port at least graphically, the arcade game had nice gfx, but the Amiga could get much closer than this conversion – the enemy sprites are woeful.

Gordon · 31 March 2020, 10:10

Mcgeezer, author of rygar, made a poll to see which game to port next
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...=Mcgeezer+poll

Vote and get your wish

eXeler0 · 31 March 2020, 10:46

Hej @Legionary
Shinobi on Amiga was a huge disappointment especially for those of us who absolutely loved the arcade version (and of course I have the orignal Arcade PCB to play on ;-)
So a remake (re-port?) would be some justification for the Amiga which surely can do a lot better than what we got.
But as Gordon mentioned, there's a poll by Mcgeezer. Instead of just voting, maybe joining forces and co-develop it would be a good idea? ;-) Right now Shinobi is at #1 in that poll.

dlfrsilver · 31 March 2020, 11:52

well, maybe ask tryphon the source code of his remake for megadrive, and adapt it on Amiga ?

DamienD · 31 March 2020, 12:20

I've said it countless time previously; Shinobi on Amiga... for me the biggest disappointment ever!!!

What a major abomination; it doesn't get any worse

For all you guys that love Shinobi on the Arcade; you need to check this out when released on the 10th of April: Shadow Gangs

Absolutely friggin' awesome; Jack has done an incredible job here

eXeler0 · 31 March 2020, 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

I've said it countless time previously; Shinobi on Amiga... for me the biggest disappointment ever!!!

What a major abomination; it doesn't get any worse

For all you guys that love Shinobi on the Arcade; you need to check this out when released on the 10th of April: Shadow Gangs

Absolutely friggin' awesome; Jack has done an incredible job here

Yes it looks absolutely awesome.. A true spiritual successor to Shinobi unlike a lot of the official sequels.
Also, finally we can fight evil Freddy Mercury Shinobi-style

/eX

Superman · 31 March 2020, 16:15

I would love to see a more arcade faithful version on the Amiga. I know someone has recently done it on the Megadrive and its pretty much arcade perfect so I'm sure the Amiga is a platform where a much better version can be done.

Bren McGuire · 31 March 2020, 16:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superman

I'm sure the Amiga is a platform where a much better version can be done.

Why? The Megadrive is a lot better for a game like this in every single aspect.

Gordon · 31 March 2020, 17:32

I will assume you have misread what he said... read it back

redblade · 31 March 2020, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamienD

I've said it countless time previously; Shinobi on Amiga... for me the biggest disappointment ever!!!

I agree, I was disappointed with it but I didn't pay for it so.... Maybe that was the best they could do aimed at a target machine of 512K ram and a 1 button joystick??

spiff · 31 March 2020, 23:12

Shinobi II, shadow dancer conversion is pretty good.

The usual amiga limitations, US gold, Atari, more than 8 sprites on screen etc...

eXeler0 · 01 April 2020, 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bren McGuire

Why? The Megadrive is a lot better for a game like this in every single aspect.

I will also assume you misread Superman's comment but whatever. The Megadrive is some ways a budget version of the Sega System 16 Arcade board where the goal was to have a good experience with playing the arcade games at home.
So yea, it is suitable for these types of games for sure..
(Rumor has it the actual successor to the Master System was abandoned when SEGA found out about Nintendo developing the Super Nintendo, so they realized they had to up their game and the System 16 arcade hardware was already there, it was successful, developers knew how to develop for the 68000 etc..)

I think the main motivation to do a better Amiga port is to prove it could have been so much better if only the devs would have done a better job. A lot of people were frustrated at the lazy port we got, so its a matter of vindication ;-)
Also, the guy making the Megadrive version is also trying to prove they could have got an arcade perfect port back in the day, but how strange is it that they didn't even get a release at all?..

touko · 01 April 2020, 14:22

I think shinobi on Md wouldn't have been as good if it was developped by sega in 90's due to the constraints of that time,better than the amiga version for sure, but far from the homebrew version too .

touko · 20 July 2023, 20:25

Hi all .
Some news of my shinobi conversion for the nec supergrafx .
The intro is almost done, and i started the bonus level, the hand animations and move are done .

A first video of the level one to test the scrolling .
[ Show youtube player ]

All are real footages from emulator of course .

I moved the project from hucard to CDROM+Arcade Card,so some parts must be redone, and some news routines must be writen to take in account the arcade card device .

Like i said in another tread, all the gfx are converted and the result is close to arcade perfect, at least for the colors number on screen .

saimon69 · 20 July 2023, 20:33

So, i know someone is trying to make this in scorpion but, in case he fails, you have any plan to port the SGX version on Amiga? (OCS/ECS to make things more interesting)

touko · 20 July 2023, 20:43

Unfortunately no, but like many of yours, it would be great to finally have a good OCS version.

ZEUSDAZ · 20 July 2023, 23:28

Why now?! I mean 30+yrs ago this would be a diamond question,...getting great conversions on the Amiga following all the shite ones we got and believe me I know with all the games I've reviewed on the Shit Game Time series, but now we have MAME to play all those classics so what's the point converting them to Amiga now?!

Oh by the way, Shinobi was awful on the Amiga, dull flat boring colours with a character who looks to have a hump as big as hunchback and as for that awful music YUK, such a poor attempt from quite a good publisher, this was one of their bad days and yes it was a SGT review many moons ago: [ Show youtube player ]

sokolovic · 20 July 2023, 23:34

Wow. What an utterly negative comment.
(And finishing it by putting a link to your personnal YT channel... Not very elegant ).

Anyway, nice work Touko... I' be happy to see an Amiga version if this could happen, like other great conversion we had recently like Tinyus, Metal Gear or Rygar. And maybe some more to come like Rastan or Final Fight.
I much prefer this kind of commitment to the Amiga community than YT channel shitting on the Amiga library.

dlfrsilver · 21 July 2023, 00:08

I have most of the graphics from Shinobi arcade

20 July 2023, 20:25	#15
touko Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: france Posts: 186	Hi all . Some news of my shinobi conversion for the nec supergrafx . The intro is almost done, and i started the bonus level, the hand animations and move are done . A first video of the level one to test the scrolling . [ Show youtube player ] All are real footages from emulator of course . I moved the project from hucard to CDROM+Arcade Card,so some parts must be redone, and some news routines must be writen to take in account the arcade card device . Like i said in another tread, all the gfx are converted and the result is close to arcade perfect, at least for the colors number on screen . Last edited by touko; 21 July 2023 at 10:11.

20 July 2023, 23:34	#19
sokolovic Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Marseille / France Posts: 1,416	Wow. What an utterly negative comment. (And finishing it by putting a link to your personnal YT channel... Not very elegant ). Anyway, nice work Touko... I' be happy to see an Amiga version if this could happen, like other great conversion we had recently like Tinyus, Metal Gear or Rygar. And maybe some more to come like Rastan or Final Fight. I much prefer this kind of commitment to the Amiga community than YT channel shitting on the Amiga library. Last edited by sokolovic; 20 July 2023 at 23:41.

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31 March 2020, 07:23	#1
Legionary OldSk00l Crackers Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Skövde / Sweden Age: 52 Posts: 50	Shinobi Arcade Conversion Hi everyone. Many years ago (1999 i think), i was dreaming of an arcade conversion of shinobi for amiga, but due to laziness i didn't bother about it. Is it possible? I mean the amiga conversion was a huge disaster and i rather play the c64 version which are superior in my opinion. Now then rygar is done, it might not be impossible to make it happen??? Ryggar btw, is a really nice game.

31 March 2020, 09:47	#2
Tolls Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: :England: Posts: 264	Hmm, just looked at the Amiga version of Shinobi and yeah, it does look pretty bad. Gameplay looks ok-ish (but slow), and the gfx and are terrible along with the jerky scrolling. It should have been a much better port at least graphically, the arcade game had nice gfx, but the Amiga could get much closer than this conversion – the enemy sprites are woeful.

31 March 2020, 10:10	#3
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	Mcgeezer, author of rygar, made a poll to see which game to port next http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...=Mcgeezer+poll Vote and get your wish

31 March 2020, 10:46	#4
eXeler0 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Sweden Age: 50 Posts: 2,946	Hej @Legionary Shinobi on Amiga was a huge disappointment especially for those of us who absolutely loved the arcade version (and of course I have the orignal Arcade PCB to play on ;-) So a remake (re-port?) would be some justification for the Amiga which surely can do a lot better than what we got. But as Gordon mentioned, there's a poll by Mcgeezer. Instead of just voting, maybe joining forces and co-develop it would be a good idea? ;-) Right now Shinobi is at #1 in that poll.

31 March 2020, 11:52	#5
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	well, maybe ask tryphon the source code of his remake for megadrive, and adapt it on Amiga ?

31 March 2020, 12:20	#6
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	I've said it countless time previously; Shinobi on Amiga... for me the biggest disappointment ever!!! What a major abomination; it doesn't get any worse For all you guys that love Shinobi on the Arcade; you need to check this out when released on the 10th of April: Shadow Gangs Absolutely friggin' awesome; Jack has done an incredible job here

31 March 2020, 16:15	#8
Superman Super Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Wakefield Age: 48 Posts: 1,334	I would love to see a more arcade faithful version on the Amiga. I know someone has recently done it on the Megadrive and its pretty much arcade perfect so I'm sure the Amiga is a platform where a much better version can be done.

31 March 2020, 17:32	#10
Gordon Settler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Serf City Posts: 1,760	I will assume you have misread what he said... read it back

31 March 2020, 23:12	#12
spiff Oh noes! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Neverland Posts: 766	Shinobi II, shadow dancer conversion is pretty good. The usual amiga limitations, US gold, Atari, more than 8 sprites on screen etc...

01 April 2020, 14:22	#14
touko Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: france Posts: 186	I think shinobi on Md wouldn't have been as good if it was developped by sega in 90's due to the constraints of that time,better than the amiga version for sure, but far from the homebrew version too .

20 July 2023, 20:33	#16
saimon69 J.M.D - Bedroom Musician Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: los angeles,ca Posts: 3,516	So, i know someone is trying to make this in scorpion but, in case he fails, you have any plan to port the SGX version on Amiga? (OCS/ECS to make things more interesting)

20 July 2023, 20:43	#17
touko Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: france Posts: 186	Unfortunately no, but like many of yours, it would be great to finally have a good OCS version.

20 July 2023, 23:28	#18
ZEUSDAZ Registered User Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: England Posts: 742	Why now?! I mean 30+yrs ago this would be a diamond question,...getting great conversions on the Amiga following all the shite ones we got and believe me I know with all the games I've reviewed on the Shit Game Time series, but now we have MAME to play all those classics so what's the point converting them to Amiga now?! Oh by the way, Shinobi was awful on the Amiga, dull flat boring colours with a character who looks to have a hump as big as hunchback and as for that awful music YUK, such a poor attempt from quite a good publisher, this was one of their bad days and yes it was a SGT review many moons ago: [ Show youtube player ]

21 July 2023, 00:08	#20
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	I have most of the graphics from Shinobi arcade

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