Gotek and HxC working together

[idrougge]

Originally Posted by Jeff_HxC2001

No. I will follow the gotek function : One button for +1, the other for +10

Please reconsider. What if you have a game where you swap back and forth between disk 1 and 2?

[idrougge]

Originally Posted by demolition

I have a Gotek with Cortex firmware that I plan to upgrade to HxC, however I cannot get the STM software to connect.

1. Make sure there is a good power supply for the drive. My laptop couldn't flash the Gotek reliably when running on battery power.
2. Try to toggle the reset pins when connected.

[demolition]

Originally Posted by idrougge

1. Make sure there is a good power supply for the drive. My laptop couldn't flash the Gotek reliably when running on battery power.
2. Try to toggle the reset pins when connected.

1. The computer is running on AC and the voltage measures 5.01V.
2. Did that countless times. Only makes it go back to reporting 'unrecognized device'.

[desiv]

Originally Posted by idrougge

Please reconsider. What if you have a game where you swap back and forth between disk 1 and 2?

Sounds like there is some confusion..
I think Jeff thinks that the Gotek doesn't go forward and backward with the 2 buttons.
It does, and this is a feature I use a lot.
Most of the times I'm using it, I flip among a small batch of images.
Either back and forth for multi-disk games (which is pretty common for Amiga games ;-), or back and forth in genres...
(i.e. I have a bunch of different kickstarts and WB images in my first batch (genre) and I will frequently just be going back and forth in those while testing things..)

I block my images on my Gotek by genre.
1-10 is Kickstarts/WB/data (xfer) disks
11-20 is classic Amiga games
21-30 is shooters, etc
(I change them around from time to time for some reason I'm not sure of myself.. ;-)

desiv

[demolition]

Originally Posted by desiv

Sounds like there is some confusion..
I think Jeff thinks that the Gotek doesn't go forward and backward with the 2 buttons.
It does, and this is a feature I use a lot.

The original Gotek firmware does not, only the Cortex one does.
The original firmware does +1 on the left button, +10 on the right and +100 on both. You have to cycle around to go backwards.

[desiv]

Originally Posted by demolition

The original Gotek firmware does not, only the Cortex one does.
The original firmware does +1 on the left button, +10 on the right and +100 on both. You have to cycle around to go backwards.

Ah..

But as no one uses the original Gotek firmware on their Amiga and this recent discussion is about the difference between Cortex and HxC, why would that matter and/or come into the conversation at all???

desiv

[Jeff_HxC2001]

Originally Posted by desiv

Ah..

But as no one uses the original Gotek firmware on their Amiga and this recent discussion is about the difference between Cortex and HxC, why would that matter and/or come into the conversation at all???

desiv

The true original gotek firmware use the +1/+10/+100 scheme, and this is what some users asked me. This is why this come into the conversation.

[PortuguesePilot]

Originally Posted by Jeff_HxC2001

The true original gotek firmware use the +1/+10/+100 scheme, and this is what some users asked me. This is why this come into the conversation.

Some users want a +1/+10/+100 scheme instead of a back and forth option?! Amiga users?? Really??? Well, I'll tell you right now that it makes absolutely no sense at all for an Amiga user to want such a thing because many games require the player to change between all disks several times.

I will let you know right now that if you implement this scheme, without the option to go back to previous slots using the Gotek's buttons, I will stop updating my HxC Gotek because it will be a huge step back. The selector/firmware is quite good as it stands, with only minor adjustments required, so the implementation of that scheme defeats its qualities.

Is it because of the cycling speed spoken before? you can have both. If the Cortex firmware does it, surely there's a way for you to do it as well. In the Cortex firmware (sometimes I have the sense that you haven't tried a Cortex Gotek before) you can go back and forth at will using the two buttons (simple clicks), pressing and keeping a button pressed will make it go forth or backwards (depending on the button that is pressed) with increasing speed and pressing both buttons at the same times resets to slot 000. This is a very useful and practical way of operating the Gotek, given the physical limitations of the hardware.

I hope you can take this into consideration before you do any new updates to your fine HxC firmware or file selector.

Thanks.

[Jeff_HxC2001]

Originally Posted by PortuguesePilot

The selector/firmware is quite good as it stands, with only minor adjustments required, so the implementation of that scheme defeats its qualities.

ahhhh So all is fine finally ?

Yes some HxC Gotek users ask for this. You can read it on the hxc forum... But every user have his fancy...

But calm down and avoid the blackmail, this is just a discussion (kind of...)

[turrican9]

Going backwards button is a must for multidisk games. Removing this would be crazy. Who cares what a stock Gotek with PC firmware does. Cortex firmware has got this right for Amiga. Also keep in mind that the Cortex firmware is free and HXC firmware cost money. Why should I pay for something that works inferior to what I have?

[Jeff_HxC2001]

Inferior for you maybe, but for sure many peoples have a different opinion.
Anyway i didn't ask you to take the hxc firmware and you didn't so all is fine.

[turrican9]

Originally Posted by Jeff_HxC2001

Inferior for you maybe, but for sure many peoples have a different opinion.
Anyway i didn't ask you to take the hxc firmware and you didn't so all is fine.

I cannot believe anyone not wanting the other button used for backwards button. And no you didn't ask me to take the HXC firmware, but maybe I would buy it if you changed a few things but hey, that's up to you

[Jeff_HxC2001]

Originally Posted by turrican9

I cannot believe anyone not wanting the other button used for backwards button. And no you didn't ask me to take the HXC firmware, but maybe I would buy it if you changed a few things but hey, that's up to you

Read the first post :
http://torlus.com/floppy/forum/viewt...hp?f=33&t=1849

[turrican9]

Originally Posted by Jeff_HxC2001

Read the first post :
http://torlus.com/floppy/forum/viewt...hp?f=33&t=1849

yeah, I read it. But again, the Cortex firmware can cycle through incredible fast by holding the button. And it still manages to have both backwards and forwards buttons. I can promise you that with your method of going click +10 then click for another +10 is much, much slower than when you hold the button with the Cortex firmware. Is it impossible to implement this in the HXC firmware?

[desiv]

Originally Posted by Jeff_HxC2001

Read the first post :
http://torlus.com/floppy/forum/viewt...hp?f=33&t=1849

I would say I can't believe it either..
But this is the internet... ;-)

I think it's silly.. You have 2 buttons. You can have situations that aren't uncommon that you need to swap forward and backwards for multi-disk games... You probably want multiple directions..

Yes, it is also nice to be able to skip by small (1) or larger increments, but that can be handled by speeding up based on how long you hold the button down....

So in my mind, its obvious which is the best solution..
But then again, the world doesn't always agree with me.. I know.. I know.. It's sad but true..

I appreciate the work you do. And if I ever decide to steal my wife's Windows machine, I might move to your firmware.. Even with the lack of a step back button..

I suppose I could live with that.. ;-)

desiv

[Jeff_HxC2001]

The fast forward and backward is now available with the index mode (10000 images supported).
Next step : do the same thing with the autoboot/file selector mode.

[gorky]

Originally Posted by Jeff_HxC2001

The fast forward and backward is now available with the index mode (10000 images supported).
Next step : do the same thing with the autoboot/file selector mode.

And this would be "step forward"
I now am trying cortex fw - really navigation is crazy fast!
but saving sth is impossible.

Mhm.., and slot A, B, what are they for? They do not work together, consuming config space, etc

[PortuguesePilot]

Just a mere question, Jeff: for A4000 or Cloanto 3.X users, is it possible to load Amiga system files like "workbench.library" or "lowlevel.library" from the Gotek into RAM?

[Jope]

Originally Posted by PortuguesePilot

Just a mere question, Jeff: for A4000 or Cloanto 3.X users, is it possible to load Amiga system files like "workbench.library" or "lowlevel.library" from the Gotek into RAM?

If you create a bootable adf that uses loadmodule to load these..

Given that they support being loaded with loadmodule in the first place.

[Jeff_HxC2001]

Originally Posted by gorky

Mhm.., and slot A, B, what are they for? They do not work together, consuming config space, etc

This is for the SD HxC Floppy emulators : These are able to emulate 2 drives in the same time (DF0 + DF1 or whatever).