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Old 15 June 2018, 18:06   #41
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will read up but YES! it will be all open. gerbers and all free for download! as it should be
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Old 15 June 2018, 18:42   #42
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Anyway. Board will require a 5/5 mil tolerance and 0,3mm drillings. this might push price higher somewhat. as that is simply what I have as a setting when I draw this.
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Old 15 June 2018, 20:28   #43
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Since Indivision is no longer making the ACA630, he should really just give away all the layout files for free so anybody can manufacture new ACA630 boards. And while he's at it, we also need the VHDL source code for any CPLDs/FPGAs (if applicable) on there so we can recreate those as well. Sounds fair to demand that? Not to me..
Well Jens is a businessman running a business rather than a hobbyist with a separate job so you can't really expect him to act out of generosity or community spirit. If he's not selling ACA630 then you can assume he doesn't see enough demand in them or there's not enough profit to be had, whereas A500+ PCB would have demand and could be sold at 10 times manufacturing cost but it's simply being withheld with no view to making money out of it.

I recently made a thread alerting people to stocks of some rare parts when I could just have easily kept quiet and sold them on at a profit but that's not what being part of a community is about in my view. If people aren't acting as part of the community then they must be in it for the business, in which case why is it not for sale when there is clearly demand? it just comes across to me that if they aren't sharing and aren't selling something people want then they just don't want others to have access to it.

It's a free country and I'm not one of those who'd call for big government to force people to do what they don't want I'm just voicing my opinion. I think hese has done probably the fairest thing with his 4000+ motherboard, whereby he is selling PCB's himself until demand collapses and then releasing the files publically for anyone who may want one later. He's made money for the terrific work he's done which nobody can deny he deserves and is acting in the communities interest longer term.
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all boards that have been made should be released for all , the people who create these boards are not the original owners and dont own them , so they should all be available for anyone who wants to make and build one simple as that.

in effect they are copying copyrighted material so i think public domain is a priority .
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Well Jens is a businessman running a business rather than a hobbyist with a separate job so you can't really expect him to act out of generosity or community spirit. If he's not selling ACA630 then you can assume he doesn't see enough demand in them or there's not enough profit to be had, whereas A500+ PCB would have demand and could be sold at 10 times manufacturing cost but it's simply being withheld with no view to making money out of it.

I recently made a thread alerting people to stocks of some rare parts when I could just have easily kept quiet and sold them on at a profit but that's not what being part of a community is about in my view. If people aren't acting as part of the community then they must be in it for the business, in which case why is it not for sale when there is clearly demand? it just comes across to me that if they aren't sharing and aren't selling something people want then they just don't want others to have access to it.

It's a free country and I'm not one of those who'd call for big government to force people to do what they don't want I'm just voicing my opinion. I think hese has done probably the fairest thing with his 4000+ motherboard, whereby he is selling PCB's himself until demand collapses and then releasing the files publically for anyone who may want one later. He's made money for the terrific work he's done which nobody can deny he deserves and is acting in the communities interest longer term.
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will read up but YES! it will be all open. gerbers and all free for download! as it should be
Good to hear, in this case (but not in all cases ) this is the best option.

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Anyway. Board will require a 5/5 mil tolerance and 0,3mm drillings. this might push price higher somewhat. as that is simply what I have as a setting when I draw this.
Yeah that does sound like price will get a little icky with the 5mil... but it'll be worth it. are you planning on selling at cost+packaging to recoup some of the moneys?

Also need to get hold of you on irc. you busy guy
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I will sell boards and as I do with the 3660 PCBs. I will NOT sell them for the productioncost.. I have actually made some money by it. and I will do the same with those PCBs.. BUT! it will be up to anyone to do own pcbs. even sell. however my boards will be watermarked.. and somewhat like TF does. if you have an issue with a board that is bought from me. I will try (TRY!) to help. but if not I cannot be sure they are ordered with the correct tolerance etc. (but NO! it will not include full support yaddayadda)

As I am not doing this for the money. I will not care if ppl sell solutions with it. as. I am just happy not being forced soldering shitloads of boards.
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For you who just want to have a peek:

http://www.hertell.nu/files/A1200-pcb.zip
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So bottom layer 95% done or so. and 100% of all passives have pick+place data.

top layer like 90% done components still needs to be "placed" for pick+place.

Then I need to do VCC+GND and the tripple+quadruple check I did on the 3640..
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Chucky: Are the inner layers of the A1200 MB solid ground and VCC planes (ignoring vias), or are there a bunch of signal traces there as well?
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What I know no logical traces.. i will however investigate that when I have done top and bottom layers done. I know the 4000D have SOME signal traces in innner layers.
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