WinXP and right shift key

thomas · 30 November 2003, 09:11

I just installed WinXP (had 98 before) and now I can no longer scroll fast in WinUAE by pressing shift + cursor keys. The right shift key is released when I press the cursor key and pressed again when I release the cursor key although I hold down the shift key all the time.

Rawkey events are like this (code / qualifier / description)

Pressing shift:

61 8002 RShift pressed

Pressing cursor up:

E1 8000 RShift released
4C 8000 Up pressed

Releasing cursor up:

CC 8000 Up released
61 8002 RShift pressed

Releasing right shift key:

E1 8000 RShift released

This is really strange and annoing. Is this a configuration item in WinXP ? It does not happen in Windows programs like Notepad or similar.

Keyboard setting is in compatibility mode and joystick settings are standard (PC mouse + PC joystick).

Toni Wilen · 30 November 2003, 09:59

Unfortunately it seems to be DirectInput bug in german Windows XP (or in german keyboard layout). Bernd Roesch has debugged it and confirmed that DirectInput sends false right shift release events with exactly the same timestamp when another key is released..

Left shift is working properly and this bug does not appear to happen in non-german Windows XP.

There may be a way for workaround if it does not happen in non-buffered DirectInput mode that most Windows games probably use. (WinUAE has to use buffered mode to not miss any events)

andreas · 30 November 2003, 22:56

Careful Toni, I have an uncomfortable feeling that fiddling with this *may* provoke Pinball Dreams "sticky flipper key" issue again.

derSammler · 01 December 2003, 12:44

Careful andreas, don't contradict someone who surely knows it better than you.

andreas · 05 December 2003, 09:26

Huh? Can't seem to recall I *contradicted*.
I only warned, and I think Toni doesn't need YOU to answer, if he feels to defend himself, he might as well do this without help of others. Just keep out of this, please. OK?

derSammler · 05 December 2003, 12:59

Quote:

I only warned, and I think Toni doesn't need YOU to answer <...>

Oh yeah, but he needs YOUR warnings, huh ? That's what I've said... He knows better that you, if it will provoke the Pinball Dreams "sticky flipper key" issue again or not.

Quote:

Just keep out of this, please. OK?

If I would say that to you, you wouldn't care... So why should I ?

andreas · 05 December 2003, 21:51

Good question.

Moreover, was it me or you that was hunting for bugs and issues the last two weeks and being in direct contact with him?
So I'd keep my mouth shut real quick if I were you. I'm beginning to think that you want to play the role of Toni's lawyer.

thomas · 05 December 2003, 22:12

Could you please fight your conflict privately. It has nothing to do with the topic I started and it does not help me with the problem either. If you can contribute something useful, please do so. But otherwise shut up. Both of you.

andreas · 05 December 2003, 22:43

Quote:

Originally posted by thomas
Could you please fight your conflict privately.

Good idea.

Quader · 06 December 2003, 10:23

Have you disabled the Windows XP "Feststelltaste" or whatever it is called?
Try pressing fast the strg-key on the right side, after 5 to 10 times there should pop up a windows that lets you configure this "extra item" in windows xp that may be some sort of helpful but not when using winuae or some other sort of emulator.
i first recognized it when gaming and after pressing strg a few times gaming was no more possible, because behind the winuae window there was this "pop up to configure the feststelltaste window". after disabling this feature in every submenue of this pop up everything was ok.

I think this may have something to do with your problem, if not i'm sorry that i wasted your time, good luck.

thomas · 06 December 2003, 10:53

I've disabled all of the "Eingabehilfen".

thomas · 06 December 2003, 22:04

Well, I've written an AmigaOS input handler which eliminates the wrong key events. It's in the zone if somebody is interrested.

22 April 2005, 04:52

I just fixed my double harddrives to find that I have this right Shift problem.

I have WinXP Pro SP2 and WinXP Pro SP1 and with SP2 I have the problem.
Did you find a solution to this?

22 April 2005, 04:53

I need to mention I have a US version of XP

30 November 2003, 09:11	#1
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	WinXP and right shift key I just installed WinXP (had 98 before) and now I can no longer scroll fast in WinUAE by pressing shift + cursor keys. The right shift key is released when I press the cursor key and pressed again when I release the cursor key although I hold down the shift key all the time. Rawkey events are like this (code / qualifier / description) Pressing shift: 61 8002 RShift pressed Pressing cursor up: E1 8000 RShift released 4C 8000 Up pressed Releasing cursor up: CC 8000 Up released 61 8002 RShift pressed Releasing right shift key: E1 8000 RShift released This is really strange and annoing. Is this a configuration item in WinXP ? It does not happen in Windows programs like Notepad or similar. Keyboard setting is in compatibility mode and joystick settings are standard (PC mouse + PC joystick).

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30 November 2003, 09:59	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Unfortunately it seems to be DirectInput bug in german Windows XP (or in german keyboard layout). Bernd Roesch has debugged it and confirmed that DirectInput sends false right shift release events with exactly the same timestamp when another key is released.. Left shift is working properly and this bug does not appear to happen in non-german Windows XP. There may be a way for workaround if it does not happen in non-buffered DirectInput mode that most Windows games probably use. (WinUAE has to use buffered mode to not miss any events)

30 November 2003, 22:56	#3
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Careful Toni, I have an uncomfortable feeling that fiddling with this may provoke Pinball Dreams "sticky flipper key" issue again.

01 December 2003, 12:44	#4
derSammler Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 1,645	Careful andreas, don't contradict someone who surely knows it better than you.

05 December 2003, 09:26	#5
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Huh? Can't seem to recall I contradicted. I only warned, and I think Toni doesn't need YOU to answer, if he feels to defend himself, he might as well do this without help of others. Just keep out of this, please. OK?

05 December 2003, 21:51	#7
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Good question. Moreover, was it me or you that was hunting for bugs and issues the last two weeks and being in direct contact with him? So I'd keep my mouth shut real quick if I were you. I'm beginning to think that you want to play the role of Toni's lawyer.

05 December 2003, 22:12	#8
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	Could you please fight your conflict privately. It has nothing to do with the topic I started and it does not help me with the problem either. If you can contribute something useful, please do so. But otherwise shut up. Both of you.

06 December 2003, 10:23	#10
Quader Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Heidelberg/Germany Age: 47 Posts: 49	Have you disabled the Windows XP "Feststelltaste" or whatever it is called? Try pressing fast the strg-key on the right side, after 5 to 10 times there should pop up a windows that lets you configure this "extra item" in windows xp that may be some sort of helpful but not when using winuae or some other sort of emulator. i first recognized it when gaming and after pressing strg a few times gaming was no more possible, because behind the winuae window there was this "pop up to configure the feststelltaste window". after disabling this feature in every submenue of this pop up everything was ok. I think this may have something to do with your problem, if not i'm sorry that i wasted your time, good luck.

06 December 2003, 10:53	#11
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	I've disabled all of the "Eingabehilfen".

06 December 2003, 22:04	#12
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	Well, I've written an AmigaOS input handler which eliminates the wrong key events. It's in the zone if somebody is interrested.

22 April 2005, 04:52	#13
icreadence Posts: n/a	I just fixed my double harddrives to find that I have this right Shift problem. I have WinXP Pro SP2 and WinXP Pro SP1 and with SP2 I have the problem. Did you find a solution to this?

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22 April 2005, 04:53	#14
icreadence Posts: n/a	I need to mention I have a US version of XP