Plese suggest an easy Dungeon Master-like RPG

Overdoc · 30 April 2005, 20:42

Ok, I finished Eye of the Beholder I and II, Abandoned Places more than 10 years ago together with a friend of mine.
Now we have the idea to play another RPG on the Amiga again

But, we are not sure which one to play...

DM we once played for a while some years ago, but lost our save-game disk

Abandoned Places II we think is too big/difficult to start again.

So, can anyone suggest a easy RPG in EOB, DM style ? It is very important that it is rather easy because otherwise we might get frustrated too early and loose interest. We can always play the more difficult ones later

Also, preferably would be one with real-time fights, simply similar to EOB and Abandoned Places, but the could ofcourse be a upper world, too !

At the moment we are thinking of Crystal Dragon. Would that be a good one to start again ?

Thanks in advance for all suggestions

Belgarath · 30 April 2005, 20:49

Crystal Dragon is pretty good but I'd go for Black Crypt.

Overdoc · 30 April 2005, 21:06

Hmm, we had Black Crypt in mind, too, but isn't that an extremely difficult one ?
As said, the most important thing is that it is rather easy and can be finished without a lot of training - we have to get into these RPGs again first before we try the better ones

Marcuz · 30 April 2005, 21:25

Black Crypt is not too difficult if you keep these things in mind: 1)quests are multilevel 2)characters need food and water 3)most of spells are unuseful, mainly because of the number of them that you have ready at hand 4)compass and automap are your friends!

the others easy games i can think of are the two episodes of the Savage Frontier saga: Gayeway to the SF and Treasures of the SF: both are way easier of the pool of radiance games and a little better for graphics and storytelling (at lest to me); the Krynn serie is the best, but it's more difficult.

even if it's a little different, then you can try Hero Quest 1 and 2 (Legend of Sorasil): not much of a rpg tough.

Perihelion is beautiful and easy (if you get hold of the spell system).

Ishar is easy at the start and gets almost impossible toward half the game (all the sequels and the prequel, too)

Bard's Tale, they say a masterpiece, but i never played more than half an hour

Bloodwych · 30 April 2005, 21:56

Friend of yours? RPG?

PERFECT! 2-Players!

Bloodwych it is then for you and your friend.

kriz · 30 April 2005, 22:21

maybe try evils doom ?! http://hol.abime.net/3953 , its very nice...

AMIGAZ · 30 April 2005, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by kriz

maybe try evils doom ?! http://hol.abime.net/3953 , its very nice...

If you have a flicker fixer, yes

The hires graphics flicker alot without it.

Belgarath · 30 April 2005, 22:35

I wouldn't say Black Crypt was too difficult, and the automap definitely helps a lot, I'm pretty sure it's easier than Crystal Dragon.

NPI · 01 May 2005, 00:05

Ishar III all the way

icewizard2k5 · 01 May 2005, 03:20

here's another one for black crypt

alexh · 01 May 2005, 11:26

Amberstar and Ambermoon are both great RPG's with bits of Dungeon Master and bits of Shining Force in them.

These two games are much more Story / Mission based, and the stories are very engrossing, and the worlds are HUGE.

Ambermoon's 3D'ish sections are look in any direction and not just 90 degrees.

01 May 2005, 21:26

Another vote for Black Crypt as it's not too hard.

There are some very nice levels design/gfx wise & a good music score iirc. Plus it's not HUGE ala DM/CSB or the Bards Tale series which would take A LONG time to play.

I thought the Bards Tale series was superb for its time. Where did i put those maps?

Never really got into the Amberstar/moon series but wish I had as Thalion did produce some excellent games. Thanks for posting a link to the Thalion shrine i shall be downloading a few

Does anyone remember Blade of Destiny? I just found the music - excellent game. Turn based combat and quite involved - huge play area as well.

BlaCkAdDa · 02 May 2005, 07:06

or Realms of Arkania if you like, though the combat is turn based ala D&D games.
Huge game, huge character choices, not that difficult to play though.

Overdoc · 02 May 2005, 14:13

Ok, guys, thanx for all suggestions !!
So we will give Black Crypt and Amberstar a try

The SSI series games, Bard's Tale and Ultima series are not in that style we like - we are used to the ones which are similar to Dungeon Master, Eye of the Beholder & Abandoned Places.

Bloodwyche would be cool, too, but that's the only DM style game which also exists on the C64 and I want to play that with another friend on the good old 64

Anybody has played Dungeons of Avalon I & II ? Are they good ? Difficult/Easy ?

Also, what about the Black Dawn series ? I think there exist some DM style RPGs from these series , too !?

Also, can Captive and Knightmare be finished ? Look quite good, too !

Marcuz · 02 May 2005, 15:18

i give you my personal token: Dungeon of Avalon' inventory system, combat system and monsters respawning are utterly CRAP: unusable, slow, dumb... they just ruin a graphically nice game.

knightmare looked cool to me too, but it's like to have your sensory system scrambled and broken and trying to make work a washing machine with inuit localized commands and with arms cutted. yes the game interface is SO good.

Captive: the dungeon crawling is good but i still couldn't climb out of the ship at least ONE time (but this probably is my fault, i never had manuals for that).

Captive 2 Liberation: cool game but just too big, hard and somewhat it makes you sick because its slowness in interface and progress.

Mounce · 14 May 2005, 05:17

how bout Eye of the Beholder 3?

EmuChicken · 14 May 2005, 14:03

I always enjoyed the simplicity and ace-ness of Might and Magic book 2 :-)

Overdoc · 18 May 2005, 00:46

Ok, thanks guys !
We have started playing Black Crypt now. I found the complete manual online so it is easier to play

We also took a look at Dungeons of Avalon, but unfortunately it has strategic fighting which is little bit boring ( you cannot see monsters from distance... )

Also, EOB III is a nice suggestion, but it was never released for the Amiga. But maybe we will play it on PC after we have played Black Crypt.
Is EOB III harder/longer than the first 2 parts ?

Belgarath · 18 May 2005, 11:31

I don't know if it's longer or harder mainly because I didn't play it long enough because I found it a lot more boring! The third game of course was not designed by Westwood and it shows

If you do want to play a PC game go for Lands of Lore which is by Westwood and is bloody excellent.

kriz · 18 May 2005, 17:03

yes. if you use pc . Get Lands of lore, same great gameplay and even better gfx!!

30 April 2005, 20:42	#1
Overdoc Commodore Collector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austria Age: 53 Posts: 944	Plese suggest an easy Dungeon Master-like RPG Ok, I finished Eye of the Beholder I and II, Abandoned Places more than 10 years ago together with a friend of mine. Now we have the idea to play another RPG on the Amiga again But, we are not sure which one to play... DM we once played for a while some years ago, but lost our save-game disk Abandoned Places II we think is too big/difficult to start again. So, can anyone suggest a easy RPG in EOB, DM style ? It is very important that it is rather easy because otherwise we might get frustrated too early and loose interest. We can always play the more difficult ones later Also, preferably would be one with real-time fights, simply similar to EOB and Abandoned Places, but the could ofcourse be a upper world, too ! At the moment we are thinking of Crystal Dragon. Would that be a good one to start again ? Thanks in advance for all suggestions

01 May 2005, 21:26	#12
pook Posts: n/a	Another vote for Black Crypt as it's not too hard. There are some very nice levels design/gfx wise & a good music score iirc. Plus it's not HUGE ala DM/CSB or the Bards Tale series which would take A LONG time to play. I thought the Bards Tale series was superb for its time. Where did i put those maps? Never really got into the Amberstar/moon series but wish I had as Thalion did produce some excellent games. Thanks for posting a link to the Thalion shrine i shall be downloading a few Does anyone remember Blade of Destiny? I just found the music - excellent game. Turn based combat and quite involved - huge play area as well. Last edited by pook; 01 May 2005 at 22:23.

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30 April 2005, 20:49	#2
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,514	Crystal Dragon is pretty good but I'd go for Black Crypt.

30 April 2005, 21:06	#3
Overdoc Commodore Collector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austria Age: 53 Posts: 944	Hmm, we had Black Crypt in mind, too, but isn't that an extremely difficult one ? As said, the most important thing is that it is rather easy and can be finished without a lot of training - we have to get into these RPGs again first before we try the better ones

30 April 2005, 21:25	#4
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	Black Crypt is not too difficult if you keep these things in mind: 1)quests are multilevel 2)characters need food and water 3)most of spells are unuseful, mainly because of the number of them that you have ready at hand 4)compass and automap are your friends! the others easy games i can think of are the two episodes of the Savage Frontier saga: Gayeway to the SF and Treasures of the SF: both are way easier of the pool of radiance games and a little better for graphics and storytelling (at lest to me); the Krynn serie is the best, but it's more difficult. even if it's a little different, then you can try Hero Quest 1 and 2 (Legend of Sorasil): not much of a rpg tough. Perihelion is beautiful and easy (if you get hold of the spell system). Ishar is easy at the start and gets almost impossible toward half the game (all the sequels and the prequel, too) Bard's Tale, they say a masterpiece, but i never played more than half an hour

30 April 2005, 21:56	#5
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Friend of yours? RPG? PERFECT! 2-Players! Bloodwych it is then for you and your friend.

30 April 2005, 22:21	#6
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,195	maybe try evils doom ?! http://hol.abime.net/3953 , its very nice...

30 April 2005, 22:35	#8
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,514	I wouldn't say Black Crypt was too difficult, and the automap definitely helps a lot, I'm pretty sure it's easier than Crystal Dragon.

01 May 2005, 00:05	#9
NPI Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Age: 38 Posts: 607	Ishar III all the way

01 May 2005, 03:20	#10
icewizard2k5 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Australia Age: 38 Posts: 200	here's another one for black crypt

01 May 2005, 11:26	#11
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,354	Amberstar and Ambermoon are both great RPG's with bits of Dungeon Master and bits of Shining Force in them. These two games are much more Story / Mission based, and the stories are very engrossing, and the worlds are HUGE. Ambermoon's 3D'ish sections are look in any direction and not just 90 degrees.

02 May 2005, 07:06	#13
BlaCkAdDa Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Adelaide / Australia Age: 47 Posts: 214	or Realms of Arkania if you like, though the combat is turn based ala D&D games. Huge game, huge character choices, not that difficult to play though.

02 May 2005, 14:13	#14
Overdoc Commodore Collector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austria Age: 53 Posts: 944	Ok, guys, thanx for all suggestions !! So we will give Black Crypt and Amberstar a try The SSI series games, Bard's Tale and Ultima series are not in that style we like - we are used to the ones which are similar to Dungeon Master, Eye of the Beholder & Abandoned Places. Bloodwyche would be cool, too, but that's the only DM style game which also exists on the C64 and I want to play that with another friend on the good old 64 Anybody has played Dungeons of Avalon I & II ? Are they good ? Difficult/Easy ? Also, what about the Black Dawn series ? I think there exist some DM style RPGs from these series , too !? Also, can Captive and Knightmare be finished ? Look quite good, too !

02 May 2005, 15:18	#15
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	i give you my personal token: Dungeon of Avalon' inventory system, combat system and monsters respawning are utterly CRAP: unusable, slow, dumb... they just ruin a graphically nice game. knightmare looked cool to me too, but it's like to have your sensory system scrambled and broken and trying to make work a washing machine with inuit localized commands and with arms cutted. yes the game interface is SO good. Captive: the dungeon crawling is good but i still couldn't climb out of the ship at least ONE time (but this probably is my fault, i never had manuals for that). Captive 2 Liberation: cool game but just too big, hard and somewhat it makes you sick because its slowness in interface and progress.

14 May 2005, 05:17	#16
Mounce Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Newcastle Age: 51 Posts: 10	how bout Eye of the Beholder 3?

14 May 2005, 14:03	#17
EmuChicken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nagoya, Japan (moved!) Age: 41 Posts: 746	I always enjoyed the simplicity and ace-ness of Might and Magic book 2 :-)

18 May 2005, 00:46	#18
Overdoc Commodore Collector Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austria Age: 53 Posts: 944	Ok, thanks guys ! We have started playing Black Crypt now. I found the complete manual online so it is easier to play We also took a look at Dungeons of Avalon, but unfortunately it has strategic fighting which is little bit boring ( you cannot see monsters from distance... ) Also, EOB III is a nice suggestion, but it was never released for the Amiga. But maybe we will play it on PC after we have played Black Crypt. Is EOB III harder/longer than the first 2 parts ?

18 May 2005, 11:31	#19
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,514	I don't know if it's longer or harder mainly because I didn't play it long enough because I found it a lot more boring! The third game of course was not designed by Westwood and it shows If you do want to play a PC game go for Lands of Lore which is by Westwood and is bloody excellent.

18 May 2005, 17:03	#20
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,195	yes. if you use pc . Get Lands of lore, same great gameplay and even better gfx!!

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