Which are the most accurate Amiga arcade conversions? - Page 14

Shatterhand · 21 July 2017, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Never liked the Shadow Dancer arcade version. I think the Genesis exclusive game was much better. Great Amiga port? Maybe a decent one, but not great imo.

I like the arcade game a lot more than the Mega-Drive game (which isn't a bad game at all)

Retro-Nerd · 21 July 2017, 15:58

The arcade version has big sprites, scrolls smooth and the controls are working good enough. The Amiga port could have been better. A small viewable game screen (big borders), jerky/jittery scrolling with probably less than 25fps and the controls aren't that smooth. Looks like 16 colors only.

Shatterhand · 21 July 2017, 16:03

I am pretty sure its 16 colors only, it looks identical to the ST version, but a lot smoother and with better music/sfx.

Amiga1992 · 21 July 2017, 16:35

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Originally Posted by Zarchos

The tunes are great, too.

See, I would never agree. The tunes are a terrible rendition of the originals. You also said you never played the original game. It's fine, you can enjoy this version of Pac-Mania, I know I did a lot, but then I got a hold of the arcade, and I was like, "what is this Amiga shit I have been fed for years?" The Archimedes version, despite larger looking sprites, still looks terrible, with too large a playfield.

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Originally Posted by ReadOnlyCat

I agree that for Final Fight the game logic was very necessary but for PacMania they have no excuse.

I think that a game like Pac-Man or Pac-Mania is usually misrepresented as one of "simple game logic". Just go up-down-left-right and eat pellets...
If you hear a pro player talk about these games, you will realize there is a lot going on than what meets the eye. See for example Billy Mitchel talking about Pac-Man or something.

The behavior in Pac-Mania's ghosts is rather complex in my opinion, and a peek at the original source code would have helped get that feeling closer to reality.

Another good example of a supposedly "simple" game but that, in my opinion, the Amiga never got quite right, is TETRIS. Yeah it might seem simple as hell, but once you play one of the good ones (like arcade Atari Tetris), you realize, there's something missing in others. But what? It's SO simple! Just put bricks in place and form lines, right? I don't think so

wanderer · 21 July 2017, 17:30

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Originally Posted by Akira

Another good example of a supposedly "simple" game but that, in my opinion, the Amiga never got quite right, is TETRIS.

Sorry for quick OT... did you ever find that Tetris game?

nobody · 21 July 2017, 17:50

I think this is his Tetris
[ Show youtube player ]

Or this
[ Show youtube player ]

Amiga1992 · 21 July 2017, 18:00

Don't wanna go too OT, but nope, nobody, it was an Amiga game.

Jope: I never found any footage of that show, so it will be forever lost. There's a big chance it was some version of Twintris. But I cannot ascertain, all I tried still don't feel right. By this point I don't know how clouded my judgement is by deteriorating childhood memories, but I just can't shake teh idea that it looked just like Atari Tetris.

Anyway, yeah, no Amiga Tetris game feels like any of the Alexey Pajitnov ones.

Retro-Nerd · 21 July 2017, 18:10

TwinTris is a nice Tetris clone for the Amiga though. Not that hard to beat the awful official Tetris Amiga version.

Amiga1992 · 21 July 2017, 18:44

Yes, Twintris is probably as good as it gets, although I also liked Tetris Pro by 2000AD, and to be fair, the Gameboy Tetris PD conversion wasn't that bad either!

NorthWay · 21 July 2017, 19:35

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Originally Posted by Shatterhand

I don't think the problem with Bubble Bobble on Amiga is lack of source code. It doesn't need to be 100% accurate, but it could at least play a lot better. It's like Photon said, it could had been 1:1 or even better, but its screwed by being an Atari ST port.

It is a long time since I ReSource'd BB, but I think it did use the blitter. And had pre-shifted sprites (yep, ST origins).
And IIRC it has a delay loop to to keep the speed at ST levels. And there is some Enforcer hit in there that I don't know what really causes it. Took a bit of work to hammer the game out, optimize and make it behave - apart from the hit :-(

Shatterhand · 21 July 2017, 20:54

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Originally Posted by NorthWay

It is a long time since I ReSource'd BB, but I think it did use the blitter. And had pre-shifted sprites (yep, ST origins).
And IIRC it has a delay loop to to keep the speed at ST levels. And there is some Enforcer hit in there that I don't know what really causes it. Took a bit of work to hammer the game out, optimize and make it behave - apart from the hit :-(

Is there an "optimized" version of it out there somewhere ??

nobody · 21 July 2017, 23:47

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Originally Posted by DamienD

You can with the cracked / trained Flashtro version

See this thread: Ghosts 'N Goblins - 100% perfect disk version

...and here's the file on the Flashtro website

I transferred to floppy and yes it has direction changing when jumping. Now it's a close copy of the arcade.

turrican3 · 21 July 2017, 23:57

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Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

dragon ninja ?

2 years late !! but yes it was dragon ninja !!! great conversion and like i said it had more scrollings in some stages (on the miggy)!!!

NorthWay · 22 July 2017, 01:04

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Originally Posted by Shatterhand

Is there an "optimized" version of it out there somewhere ??

Not sure it played any different, but my patch was(is?) available on AmiNet.

ReadOnlyCat · 22 July 2017, 23:51

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Originally Posted by turrican3

2 years late !! but yes it was dragon ninja !!! great conversion and like i said it had more scrollings in some stages (on the miggy)!!!

More scrollings? What do you mean?
Are you referring to additional layers of parallax scrolling?

Amiga1992 · 02 August 2017, 00:10

How I forgot to mention one of my favorite conversions, which nobody seems to have mentioned either?

I love VOLFIELD. It's accurate and a great, very underrated game in my opinion!

Predseda · 02 August 2017, 00:37

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

I don't think that it's true. According to this Amiga Lore interview they had game design documents and the arcade machine. The Japanese companies never gave away their source codes. Often the coder/graphic- and soundartists had to change their real names into aliases for the game credits, so that other companies couldn't headhunt them.

http://www.abime.net/interviews/view/interview/id/2

Earlier this year we performed an interview with Jason Page. He confirmed that information:

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We didn’t have source, but we did have an amazing folder of information from Taito that explained a lot of the game mechanics via diagrams (how far Bub could jump, etc.).

http://www.lemonamiga.com/interviews/jason_page/

idrougge · 02 August 2017, 00:38

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Originally Posted by Akira

How I forgot to mention one of my favorite conversions, which nobody seems to have mentioned either?

I love VOLFIELD. It's accurate and a great, very underrated game in my opinion!

Indeed. And it's even hard disk installable.

Shatterhand · 02 August 2017, 03:45

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Originally Posted by Akira

How I forgot to mention one of my favorite conversions, which nobody seems to have mentioned either?

I love VOLFIELD. It's accurate and a great, very underrated game in my opinion!

Except it's name VOLFIED not VOLFIELD. I always make this mistake too

My dad's wife could 1 life the game doing 99.9% on every level. And she basically did it everytime she played it, it was like nothing to her. Watching her playing it made the game look so damn easy. It was the most amazing demonstration of fully dominating a game I ever saw "live".

dlfrsilver · 02 August 2017, 12:37

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Originally Posted by Shatterhand

Except it's name VOLFIED not VOLFIELD. I always make this mistake too

My dad's wife could 1 life the game doing 99.9% on every level. And she basically did it everytime she played it, it was like nothing to her. Watching her playing it made the game look so damn easy. It was the most amazing demonstration of fully dominating a game I ever saw "live".

richard horrocks was a great amiga coder

and indeed, Volfied is an excellent conversion of the arcade machine

21 July 2017, 15:58	#262
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	The arcade version has big sprites, scrolls smooth and the controls are working good enough. The Amiga port could have been better. A small viewable game screen (big borders), jerky/jittery scrolling with probably less than 25fps and the controls aren't that smooth. Looks like 16 colors only. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 21 July 2017 at 17:36.

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21 July 2017, 16:03	#263
Shatterhand Warhasneverbeensomuchfun Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Rio de Janeiro / Brazil Age: 41 Posts: 3,450	I am pretty sure its 16 colors only, it looks identical to the ST version, but a lot smoother and with better music/sfx.

21 July 2017, 17:50	#266
nobody Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: GR Age: 46 Posts: 1,416	I think this is his Tetris [ Show youtube player ] Or this [ Show youtube player ]

21 July 2017, 18:00	#267
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Don't wanna go too OT, but nope, nobody, it was an Amiga game. Jope: I never found any footage of that show, so it will be forever lost. There's a big chance it was some version of Twintris. But I cannot ascertain, all I tried still don't feel right. By this point I don't know how clouded my judgement is by deteriorating childhood memories, but I just can't shake teh idea that it looked just like Atari Tetris. Anyway, yeah, no Amiga Tetris game feels like any of the Alexey Pajitnov ones.

21 July 2017, 18:10	#268
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	TwinTris is a nice Tetris clone for the Amiga though. Not that hard to beat the awful official Tetris Amiga version.

21 July 2017, 18:44	#269
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Yes, Twintris is probably as good as it gets, although I also liked Tetris Pro by 2000AD, and to be fair, the Gameboy Tetris PD conversion wasn't that bad either!

02 August 2017, 00:10	#276
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	How I forgot to mention one of my favorite conversions, which nobody seems to have mentioned either? I love VOLFIELD. It's accurate and a great, very underrated game in my opinion!

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