ProjectMAGE ? ["WTF is MAGE?"] - Page 2

BippyM · 06 June 2006, 12:11

I don't want to close this thread but I will..

SPS FILES ARE NOT TO BE SHARED, HOTLINKED, OR ANYTHING ELSE ON EAB!!!!!!

Belgarath · 06 June 2006, 12:19

Bippy next time check the file before deleting it
it was a boot disk and not a sps file. (extension was .adf not .ipf)

edit: I'd just like to state for anyone else who might be concerned about linking to SPS files, that these "sps fills" aren't actually sps files, they are all adfs that are needed for the sps games to work (bootdisks and savedisks etc).

BippyM · 06 June 2006, 12:24

My apologies I should have checked properly before moderating.. Sorry

eLowar · 06 June 2006, 15:05

... but oh well, forgive and forget ...

Link again (ADF FILE

): http://fserve.elowar.com/temp/2540_Planetfall_Disk0.zip

eLowar · 06 June 2006, 18:46

As promised there are plenty of mass host downloads for the Games packs now. Find them in the sticky thread GameBase Amiga - Files and Torrents in this forum.

Retro-Nerd · 06 June 2006, 19:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by eLowar

As promised there are plenty of mass host downloads for the Games packs now. Find them in the sticky thread GameBase Amiga - Files and Torrents in this forum.

Many thanks, that's awesome.

Edit: Koolfiles is bullshit, they already deleted your files.

eLowar · 06 June 2006, 19:23

You're right

I should've known it looked too good to be true.

But Savefile.com should be reliable (I had the old files on there for a long time) and convenient enough.

andreas · 07 June 2006, 04:47

Eh...

How can I understand this?

Is MAGE something completely new, or does it make use of anything of the GameBase Amiga project too?

Would make sense, I guess ... as the "original" project involved lots and lots of hard work.

Adderly · 07 June 2006, 05:58

not only a new project, also some users painted their names green! Maybe mutations of Paul The Green Amiga Alien or new mods? Seems i missed their nominations...

eLowar · 07 June 2006, 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas

Is MAGE something completely new, or does it make use of anything of the GameBase Amiga project too?

See it like this: GameBase Amiga is a set of database, files and scripts for use with GameBase, MAGE will replace GameBase (not GameBase Amiga) and then MAGE Amiga will be the same basic set of database, files and scripts for use with MAGE.

In short: New frontend, same data.

Marcuz · 07 June 2006, 11:13

heh, for one secret project you leak out so much info!

eLowar · 07 June 2006, 16:08

The project is not that secret anymore. And leaking some information keeps people interested until we can actually present something to the public.

andreas · 07 June 2006, 19:04

Quote:

not only a new project, also some users painted their names green!

I cannot comment to this, since I only know how to paint the town red

For real though...
I think I have understood now (thanks eLowar).
You do not want to get rid of the Gamebase Amiga data repository, but only get rid of the GameBase software itself. Well, I see, yet I've thought that at least the C64 version (Gamebase64) is a great piece of software, stable and whatnot. And Gamebase64 uses Gamebase SW too...

Thus the only thing I do not (yet) understand is the need of a new frontend software at all. IOW what is it in Gamebase that you guys feel uncomfortable with?

eLowar · 07 June 2006, 19:57

Actually GameBase is not that stable. It is fairly easy to crash, just look at the GameBase forums for several examples of reproducible errors (try scrolling through a long list with screenshots for a while for example). What's worse, a lot of these errors have been known for years (e.g. since 2003) and aren't fixed. Same goes for feature requests: more columns in the list view have been requested for years now too and nothing has happened. Problems with the image viewer have been known for a long time as well. Development has basically stopped since it went open source.

Belgarath · 07 June 2006, 20:12

As eLowar says, it does have a bunch of problems as a frontend, there's a lot it does right and a lot it does wrong or doesn't do at all...Although I do think it's one of the best frontends currently around otherwise I would never have used it in the first place.

Then from the Amiga side of things, GB is VERY C64 orientated, although it can be customised to some degree it's not a very high degree, and just having programmer + musician fields may be enough for a C64 db, but what about developers or graphic artists etc? There's just no place for them to go.

Also the screenshot windows are fixed at 320x200 which again is fine for C64 and even ST, but doesn't really do Amiga screens any justice.

I'll stop listing problems with GameBase now as I don't want to put people off from using GameBase Amiga

Marcuz · 07 June 2006, 20:50

insightful... but if it can practically interface itself with the same exact files gamebase does, could it be open in the future to substitute it also on regards of other emulation programs? like a Mage64?

eLowar · 07 June 2006, 21:00

Maximum GameBase compatability (without compromising flexibility and new features) is a major goal of MAGE. While databases will not be immediately usable (MAGE will not be based on .mdb databases), there will be easy ways to import databases and scripts from GameBase.

andreas · 08 June 2006, 17:37

Thanks for all explanations eLowar. I see clearer now. Although you're frequently on IRC, I do think these questions are of public interest and this thread might prevent you from having to repeat yourself all the time.

06 June 2006, 12:19	#22
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,513	Bippy next time check the file before deleting it it was a boot disk and not a sps file. (extension was .adf not .ipf) edit: I'd just like to state for anyone else who might be concerned about linking to SPS files, that these "sps fills" aren't actually sps files, they are all adfs that are needed for the sps games to work (bootdisks and savedisks etc). Last edited by Belgarath; 06 June 2006 at 12:37.

06 June 2006, 15:05	#24
eLowar Citizen of Elthesh Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 949	*sigh* ... but oh well, forgive and forget ... Link again (ADF FILE ): http://fserve.elowar.com/temp/2540_Planetfall_Disk0.zip Last edited by eLowar; 06 June 2006 at 15:15.

06 June 2006, 18:46	#25
eLowar Citizen of Elthesh Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 949	mass host downloads As promised there are plenty of mass host downloads for the Games packs now. Find them in the sticky thread *GameBase Amiga - Files and Torrents* in this forum.

07 June 2006, 11:13	#31
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	heh, for one secret project you leak out so much info! Last edited by Marcuz; 07 June 2006 at 17:18.

07 June 2006, 16:08	#32
eLowar Citizen of Elthesh Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 949	secrecy, or lack thereof The project is not that secret anymore. And leaking some information keeps people interested until we can actually present something to the public.

06 June 2006, 12:11	#21
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	I don't want to close this thread but I will.. SPS FILES ARE NOT TO BE SHARED, HOTLINKED, OR ANYTHING ELSE ON EAB!!!!!!

06 June 2006, 12:24	#23
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	My apologies I should have checked properly before moderating.. Sorry

06 June 2006, 19:23	#27
eLowar Citizen of Elthesh Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 949	You're right I should've known it looked too good to be true. But Savefile.com should be reliable (I had the old files on there for a long time) and convenient enough.

07 June 2006, 04:47	#28
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Eh... How can I understand this? Is MAGE something completely new, or does it make use of anything of the GameBase Amiga project too? Would make sense, I guess ... as the "original" project involved lots and lots of hard work.

07 June 2006, 05:58	#29
Adderly [Satan^God] Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 701	not only a new project, also some users painted their names green! Maybe mutations of Paul The Green Amiga Alien or new mods? Seems i missed their nominations...

07 June 2006, 19:57	#34
eLowar Citizen of Elthesh Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 949	reasons for a new frontend Actually GameBase is not that stable. It is fairly easy to crash, just look at the GameBase forums for several examples of reproducible errors (try scrolling through a long list with screenshots for a while for example). What's worse, a lot of these errors have been known for years (e.g. since 2003) and aren't fixed. Same goes for feature requests: more columns in the list view have been requested for years now too and nothing has happened. Problems with the image viewer have been known for a long time as well. Development has basically stopped since it went open source.

07 June 2006, 20:12	#35
Belgarath HOL Team Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Manchester Posts: 2,513	As eLowar says, it does have a bunch of problems as a frontend, there's a lot it does right and a lot it does wrong or doesn't do at all...Although I do think it's one of the best frontends currently around otherwise I would never have used it in the first place. Then from the Amiga side of things, GB is VERY C64 orientated, although it can be customised to some degree it's not a very high degree, and just having programmer + musician fields may be enough for a C64 db, but what about developers or graphic artists etc? There's just no place for them to go. Also the screenshot windows are fixed at 320x200 which again is fine for C64 and even ST, but doesn't really do Amiga screens any justice. I'll stop listing problems with GameBase now as I don't want to put people off from using GameBase Amiga

07 June 2006, 20:50	#36
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	insightful... but if it can practically interface itself with the same exact files gamebase does, could it be open in the future to substitute it also on regards of other emulation programs? like a Mage64?

07 June 2006, 21:00	#37
eLowar Citizen of Elthesh Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: UK Posts: 949	GameBase compatability Maximum GameBase compatability (without compromising flexibility and new features) is a major goal of MAGE. While databases will not be immediately usable (MAGE will not be based on .mdb databases), there will be easy ways to import databases and scripts from GameBase.

08 June 2006, 17:37	#38
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Thanks for all explanations eLowar. I see clearer now. Although you're frequently on IRC, I do think these questions are of public interest and this thread might prevent you from having to repeat yourself all the time.

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