Creating HDF over an existing HDF with same filename.

ransom1122 · 19 February 2018, 00:41

Hi Toni..

Not sure what's the go here but when creating a HDFs and realising you have made a mistake. Then have to recreate the same HDF if you use the same filename it asks if you want to overwrite the file. If you choose YES you get an error. Is this normal?

I understand the existing HDF is kinda stuck to the winuae session therfore makes it impossible to overwrite? If its not possible why is it prompting me if I want to overwrite?

In the meantime I create another named filename and and delete the old HDF once I finish the session of winuae. But it would be nice if I could simply overwrite it in the same winuae session..

Tomislav · 20 February 2018, 12:07

There are 2 things: emulator (WinUAE) and emulation (Amiga).

If only emulator is running and no emulation then you can do any change. In your case overwriting HDF file.

If emulation is running some things can not be done. HDF file is normally locked and you need to end emulation (not just stop it) to unlock that HDF file. It's feature that prevents some thing to happen in emulation. That means exiting and rerunning WinUAE. Or use Restart button and do changes.

ransom1122 · 20 February 2018, 13:10

Even after a...

new quickstart..
set configuration change.
Reset.

HDF file is still stuck to the previous winuae session.

Replacing a HDF with a new HDF with the same name asks you "do you want to overwrite your HDF?" If its not possible then shouldnt it be saying this action is unable to overwrite?

Prompt says something the emulator can't do..

AMIGASYSTEM · 20 February 2018, 13:10

You can not overwrite because Windows uses it for WinUAE, to force the copy or but also to delete, you can use programs like IObit Unlocker (right mouse button on Hardfile and choose unlock).

ransom1122 · 20 February 2018, 13:17

It uses a HDF even after you remove the hdf and do a reset quickstart new config?

Why does a new session of winuae still use a hdf that has been removed from previous session?

AMIGASYSTEM · 20 February 2018, 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122

Why does a new session of winuae still use a hdf that has been removed from previous session?

This is strange ame never happened, for me the culprit is Windows.

Toni Wilen · 20 February 2018, 15:24

Only "Restart" releases everything (at least it should). You are trying to do something that no one normally needs to do.

EDIT: Bigger changes are allowed again after 3.6.1 so if it looks like it should work: describe it exactly, step by step.

mark_k · 20 February 2018, 15:56

A related issue I just noticed... Run WinUAE, load a config which has an HDF. In CD & Hard drives page double-click the entry for the HDF to open Hardfile settings. Assuming the config has Manual geometry checked, you can e.g. change the Surfaces value, and the number in Cylinders field adjusts (e.g. double Surfaces, the Cylinders value halves).

But if emulation is running and you press F12 and attempt that, doubling Surfaces causes the Cylinders value to change to 0. Some lines like this in the log:
hfd attempting to open: 'E:\hdf_name.bin'
HDF 'E:\hdf_name.bin' failed to open. error = -1

WinUAE already knows the HDF's file size, but presumably it instead tries to open the file again to get that info? If changing (the drive's reported) geometry isn't supposed to work with emulation running, maybe you could disable those boxes?

Sinphaltimus · 20 February 2018, 16:54

Why not delete the HDF in question before running WinUAE (or move it to a backup folder) then recreate it in the correct place?

AMIGASYSTEM · 20 February 2018, 17:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinphaltimus

Why not delete the HDF in question before running WinUAE (or move it to a backup folder) then recreate it in the correct place?

If the file is being used by Windows (strange) will not allow move or cancellation.
As said, it can be done quickly only with utilities as "IObit Unlocker" or through the Task Manager when possible

Sinphaltimus · 20 February 2018, 18:05

Yeah, that's the part I didn't really understand. windows wouldn't be using that for anything especially after a reboot if you haven't launched WinUAE - sounds like a problem with the file itself holding on to a "Locked" property or something. Once it's unlocked tho' I would delete or move it then recreate. There are several methods and utilities available to deal with such a stubborn file.

AMIGASYSTEM · 20 February 2018, 18:58

It is strange, perhaps the file was created in a path where there are restrictions, and you must become the owner of the file

ransom1122 · 21 February 2018, 07:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Only "Restart" releases everything (at least it should). You are trying to do something that no one normally needs to do.

Reset Will not release a HDF in the same WINUAE session
Restart Will Release a HDF in the same WINAUE session

Reset Will not load newly created game HDF's in the same WINAUE session
Restart Will not load newly created game HDF's in the same WINAUE session See here -->> http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=90790

Quickstart ---> Set Configuration ----> Reset Will Release HDF's & also allow to boot New game HDF's.

So the question is... Can you implement the "release" of HDF's and the ability to boot a newly created game HDF in the same winuae session (Without having to reload a new Quickstart Config)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

EDIT: Bigger changes are allowed again after 3.6.1 so if it looks like it should work: describe it exactly, step by step.

Are you saying you are already making changes in new betas about this?

Also did you need me to do a Step by Step guide to what I am doing for these 2 problems that occur to me?

Tomislav · 21 February 2018, 12:36

Do you modify your configuration before or after pressing "Restart" button?

ransom1122 · 21 February 2018, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomislav

Do you modify your configuration before or after pressing "Restart" button?

Not the configuration. Yes to the hdfs

Sinphaltimus · 21 February 2018, 14:04

I'm just asking to be sure... did you remove the hdf from your winuae config then save the config?

Just to check.

Open WinUAE,
load the config in question,
remove the HDF from the config is question,
save the config without any HDF,
close winuae.
reboot.
Delete the HDF if possible,
if not possible open winuae,
create a new HDF in a different location,
see if that works for your needs and deal with the undeletable hdf later as a separate windows issue.

I'm still trying to understand the issue precisely and what you're doing.

ransom1122 · 21 February 2018, 20:00

I dont use a hdf config. Simply use a 1200 quickstart config.
Its the release of hdf in the same winuae session which is the problem.
I edit hdfs with dopus in workbench. And the problem occurs after i either replace a hdf or create a new one which wont boot. But will boot if i close Winuae and re load it.

DamienD · 21 February 2018, 20:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122

And the problem occurs after i either replace a hdf or create a new one which wont boot. But will boot if i close eimuae and re load it.

I've said this before to you when you asked me... so just do that; not much effort really is it?

...as others have said the .HDF is getting locked.

ransom1122 · 21 February 2018, 21:16

To re set to a new config. Reset. And re load a new config which is time consuming and a 3 step process can be a tiresome process especially when your having to do it 1000s of times is quite annoying.

I have 1000s of configs thanks to your collection which also makes it a little longer then usual to load each time.

This could all be fixed if reset simply could unrelease HDFs after they have been removed from the Hard Drives TAB. I Don't see why they're still stickied to a winuae session even after you remove them and click reset.

I work heavily with HDFs as you know Damien currently have 3,100

DamienD · 21 February 2018, 21:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122

To re set to a new config. Reset. And re load a new config which is time consuming and a 3 step process can be a tiresome process especially when your having to do it 1000s of times is quite annoying.

Yeah, maximum 10 - 15 seconds work

Quote:

Originally Posted by ransom1122

This could all be fixed if reset simply could unrelease HDFs after they have been removed from the Hard Drives TAB. I Don't see why they're still stickied to a winuae session even after you remove them and click reset.

It's probably locked for protection and to stop data corruption...

19 February 2018, 00:41	#1
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,813	Creating HDF over an existing HDF with same filename. Hi Toni.. Not sure what's the go here but when creating a HDFs and realising you have made a mistake. Then have to recreate the same HDF if you use the same filename it asks if you want to overwrite the file. If you choose YES you get an error. Is this normal? I understand the existing HDF is kinda stuck to the winuae session therfore makes it impossible to overwrite? If its not possible why is it prompting me if I want to overwrite? In the meantime I create another named filename and and delete the old HDF once I finish the session of winuae. But it would be nice if I could simply overwrite it in the same winuae session.. Last edited by ransom1122; 19 February 2018 at 02:01.

21 February 2018, 20:00	#17
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,813	I dont use a hdf config. Simply use a 1200 quickstart config. Its the release of hdf in the same winuae session which is the problem. I edit hdfs with dopus in workbench. And the problem occurs after i either replace a hdf or create a new one which wont boot. But will boot if i close Winuae and re load it. Last edited by ransom1122; 21 February 2018 at 21:17.

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20 February 2018, 12:07	#2
Tomislav Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Zagreb / Croatia Posts: 302	There are 2 things: emulator (WinUAE) and emulation (Amiga). If only emulator is running and no emulation then you can do any change. In your case overwriting HDF file. If emulation is running some things can not be done. HDF file is normally locked and you need to end emulation (not just stop it) to unlock that HDF file. It's feature that prevents some thing to happen in emulation. That means exiting and rerunning WinUAE. Or use Restart button and do changes.

20 February 2018, 13:10	#3
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,813	Even after a... new quickstart.. set configuration change. Reset. HDF file is still stuck to the previous winuae session. Replacing a HDF with a new HDF with the same name asks you "do you want to overwrite your HDF?" If its not possible then shouldnt it be saying this action is unable to overwrite? Prompt says something the emulator can't do..

20 February 2018, 13:10	#4
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	You can not overwrite because Windows uses it for WinUAE, to force the copy or but also to delete, you can use programs like IObit Unlocker (right mouse button on Hardfile and choose unlock).

20 February 2018, 13:17	#5
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,813	It uses a HDF even after you remove the hdf and do a reset quickstart new config? Why does a new session of winuae still use a hdf that has been removed from previous session?

20 February 2018, 15:24	#7
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Only "Restart" releases everything (at least it should). You are trying to do something that no one normally needs to do. EDIT: Bigger changes are allowed again after 3.6.1 so if it looks like it should work: describe it exactly, step by step.

20 February 2018, 15:56	#8
mark_k Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Posts: 3,335	A related issue I just noticed... Run WinUAE, load a config which has an HDF. In CD & Hard drives page double-click the entry for the HDF to open Hardfile settings. Assuming the config has Manual geometry checked, you can e.g. change the Surfaces value, and the number in Cylinders field adjusts (e.g. double Surfaces, the Cylinders value halves). But if emulation is running and you press F12 and attempt that, doubling Surfaces causes the Cylinders value to change to 0. Some lines like this in the log: hfd attempting to open: 'E:\hdf_name.bin' HDF 'E:\hdf_name.bin' failed to open. error = -1 WinUAE already knows the HDF's file size, but presumably it instead tries to open the file again to get that info? If changing (the drive's reported) geometry isn't supposed to work with emulation running, maybe you could disable those boxes?

20 February 2018, 16:54	#9
Sinphaltimus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Cresco, PA, USA Age: 53 Posts: 1,126	Why not delete the HDF in question before running WinUAE (or move it to a backup folder) then recreate it in the correct place?

20 February 2018, 18:05	#11
Sinphaltimus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Cresco, PA, USA Age: 53 Posts: 1,126	Yeah, that's the part I didn't really understand. windows wouldn't be using that for anything especially after a reboot if you haven't launched WinUAE - sounds like a problem with the file itself holding on to a "Locked" property or something. Once it's unlocked tho' I would delete or move it then recreate. There are several methods and utilities available to deal with such a stubborn file.

20 February 2018, 18:58	#12
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	It is strange, perhaps the file was created in a path where there are restrictions, and you must become the owner of the file

21 February 2018, 12:36	#14
Tomislav Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Zagreb / Croatia Posts: 302	Do you modify your configuration before or after pressing "Restart" button?

21 February 2018, 14:04	#16
Sinphaltimus Registered User Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Cresco, PA, USA Age: 53 Posts: 1,126	I'm just asking to be sure... did you remove the hdf from your winuae config then save the config? Just to check. Open WinUAE, load the config in question, remove the HDF from the config is question, save the config without any HDF, close winuae. reboot. Delete the HDF if possible, if not possible open winuae, create a new HDF in a different location, see if that works for your needs and deal with the undeletable hdf later as a separate windows issue. I'm still trying to understand the issue precisely and what you're doing.

21 February 2018, 21:16	#19
ransom1122 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Omnicorp Age: 45 Posts: 5,813	To re set to a new config. Reset. And re load a new config which is time consuming and a 3 step process can be a tiresome process especially when your having to do it 1000s of times is quite annoying. I have 1000s of configs thanks to your collection which also makes it a little longer then usual to load each time. This could all be fixed if reset simply could unrelease HDFs after they have been removed from the Hard Drives TAB. I Don't see why they're still stickied to a winuae session even after you remove them and click reset. I work heavily with HDFs as you know Damien currently have 3,100

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