15 October 2018, 20:24 | #1 |
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Amiga Video Backup System (VBS) crashes/general A1200 issue...
Greetings! I am hoping someone has a chance to give me a hand - or perhaps a push in (some) direction. I dont think this is specific to the program itself, so even if you dont know it, Im hoping your help can get me across the finish line. Here goes:
I have a lot of modules/produced material stored from 1993 on a VHS tape using the VBS backup system. The good news is that it looks like the tapes are fine. This is what happens: I have the VBS hardware (and all versions of the program), and when it encounters the list of files in the specific backup, the program crashes. I have tested two different A1200 (and an A600), one with a CF-solution and one with a standard 3.5" HDD. I have tried two different VBS-cables/hardware. I have tried all versions of the VBS-software. What happens when it tries to list the files in the tape-backup is that it most commonly shows a "Recoverable error" (Error 0100 00F Task 00245738), then proceeds to do a full on guru meditation. I tried running Snoopdos to see if it helped me understand, but I dont know what to look for. Included are the pictures when it seems to fail. I have the software installed to HD1: (CF-card bought from Cloanto with WB3.1). The latest version of the VBS software was released in 1995, so I am assuming this should be fine. I tried reinstalling the OS on the CF card from floppy disks to see if there were corrupted files on the CF card itself. No dice. Ive tried running the program directly from a floppy inside of Workbench, and I get the same error. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! |
15 October 2018, 20:30 | #2 |
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I don't remember how far back the VBS solution goes.
Have you tried going into the Early Startup Menu and disabling featues (i.e. going to the enhanced or original chipset). Making sure that the system (PAL/NTSC) matches the system (PAL/NTSC) that the unit was backed up with originally? Disabling CPU enhancements/caches???? Just some thoughts... Good luck |
15 October 2018, 20:42 | #3 |
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0100000F = program attempted to free memory from invalid address/address that does not point to valid memory allocation.
Possible reasons: - VBS is simply buggy but but it works accidentally in some hardware/WB configurations. - It uses some library that is too old or too new. |
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Is there a "safe" Startup-sequence that I could try, that just boots the computer up without adding anything that might break the software? If so I would love to try it... |
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With a base 3.1 install, you can frequently get away with booting with no startup sequence (an option in the early startup menu) and then typing "loadwb" to get a very clean install. If that doesn't get you enough, you can start to go thru your startup sequence to see what you can comment out (add a semi-colon to the front of the line) a bit at a time. When troubleshooting, I will frequently start by commenting out my user-startup call in the startup sequence, to make sure there is nothing there confusing it. |
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Try booting directly from WB 3.0 or even WB 2.x disk without startup-sequence and then running VBS manually (from other disk or HD), also manually copy any possibly extra fonts or files in LIBS: from VBS disk to WB boot disk.
This way it is guaranteed "clean" installation without any extra stuff that can cause problems. |
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Well Ive tested both suggestions, unfortunately it still crashes. Installed the program on an authentic, unused-since-1996 HDD and same result. I am out of ideas and I am thinking the data is lost. So far, yet so close. Kind of annoying to be honest. Its so weird to me that all the versions of the software crashes at the same point in time. And on so many different computers. But Im out of ideas...
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16 October 2018, 16:04 | #11 |
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Just a thought - to rule out a data issue, have you tried creating a new backup on to a new VHS tape and then tried to restore it?
The 3.1 you tried - was it the original commodore one or the cloanto one? |
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Ive tried two versions of 3.1 as far as I can tell. The original (from the original A1200 HDD) and the Cloanto version. Both yield the same result. |
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Which would mean there is still a possibility for recovery. ;-) |
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This is true! Well - Ill try to capture the video while I can, lossless. Maybe some day in the future there will be a solution to this. Im sure there are at least ... five other people who would want to see this work for their own backups
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Do you have more than one tape/more than one VBS backup in same tape? Does all of them crash identically or only one of them?
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Well - I did notice that increasing the stack size of the program from 8000 to 16000 seemed to just immediately go to guru meditation without going to the repeating "recoverable error" before crashing. Tried decreasing the stack size as well with no new result. There are some other parameters in the icon tool types that I dont know what does, I tried playing around with these as well with no luck. See - I dont really know what Im doing, that doesnt help this process. Had this been 1993 I would have remembered more Either way Toni, appreciate your help. And also thanks so much for all the effort put into WinUAE, that I used for a long time - and always looked forward to a new version coming out. If you can implement a way to import a video file containing the backup (lossless) as a "fake" serial port Id be happy |
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Technically it can be "dumped" using VBS hardware but because data rate is very high (about 600kbps) and structure of data is unknown, whole video data must fit in Amiga memory. (I can do this but I don't think you have real Amiga with enough memory?) EDIT: but this at least could be used to debug the crash by recording enough data to get directory part dumped. Other method is to capture the video and then use simple pattern matching to get the binary data. (I am not interested) "Connecting" binary file to emulated serial port is the easiest part. (I can do this part) |
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As mentioned in the VBS manual, does your VCR have a picture sharpness control or similar? It says the sharper the picture the more reliable the backup, so wondering if the reverse is true regards restoring? It also says if you have problems with verify or restore, unplug the red plug from the VCR!
Also, my version of VBS is 1.5 AGA PAL, is your version the same? I still have my A1200 but don't have any tapes or VCR to test with now unfortunately but it worked for me on my A1200 all those years ago as that's what I used to backup/restore! |
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I tried version 1.5 -> 3.1 and its the same result ... Im happy you were able to restore, though! |
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