Where Time Stood Still - Boxed Copy (rejected)

Galahad/FLT · 21 January 2018, 16:28

I've recently been contacted by a guy that has bought up the publishing rights to a lot of games, and if he is to be believed, that includes some Ocean titles.

I cannot confirm whether this guy is 100% legit or not, its easy to claim "Yeah I've bought the rights to it", especially in light of the fact The Speris Legacy is on the Dream17 site with "permission" from Team 17, when The Speris Legacy doesn't even belong to them, they simply published it (Binary Emotions own it).

But anyway, he asked me about doing a boxed version of Where Time Stood Still because he has the rights to the ST version as well.

I have refused.

The reason is simple. I didn't do Where Time Stood Still on my own, I had fantastic help from ADRDesign, Hoffman, Greyfox, Leathered (RIP), and they ALL gave up their valuable time for FREE.

Not that I expect a boxed copy of this game to sell particularly well in any case, but I will NOT profit off the efforts of those that helped me to get the game done.

So in the interests of fairness, and so that future projects are not affected by people thinking that they are being taken advantage of, I won't give permission for the Amiga version of Where Time Stood Still to become a boxed game for sale.

It's just not right.

Predseda · 21 January 2018, 16:31

Nice. So now back to boxed Starquake

AmigaRob · 21 January 2018, 16:34

There is a growing market for collectors wanting boxed versions of games, particularly new/home brew conversions. I think if there are people willing to buy it then I would not judge you for doing it, as long it was proven legitimate and everybody that contributed (including the original coders of the original version) got their opportunity to take their fair slice.

At the end of the day, he could produce the box, manual and a blank labelled floppy and tell buyers to write the disk themselves. The normal run for these kind of projects seems to be no more than 500 units so we are not talking about a fortune to me made anyway.

malko · 21 January 2018, 19:53

It's not an easy decision... So Respect Galahad !

Such an attitude is rare in the present day.

ross · 21 January 2018, 20:55

Wise and clear decision.

dlfrsilver · 21 January 2018, 22:14

Well ok, things are simple : Ocean has been bought by infogrames. The Ocean assets and all the things coming along with them are theirs.

I wonder who can be that guy ?

alexh · 21 January 2018, 23:16

Things such as the artwork which belonged to the late great Bob Wakelin which he's sure not to have licenced

DamienD · 21 January 2018, 23:16

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Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Well ok, things are simple : Ocean has been bought by infogrames. The Ocean assets and all the things coming along with them are theirs.

I wonder who can be that guy ?

Yes, well ok... hope you got permission to do your "L'Amazone Queen" translation (among others) from the original development houses then?

It's their assets and you are modifying...

@Sir Galahad; well done!!! Screw whoever it is that apparently bought the rights to 30 year old / niche software.

Even if true; they would then have all the games from the original systems / time of release date.

The fact that you and a couple of other dedicated "fans" had the skills necessary to port another system version over to a more complex one, add screens, sounds / music etc...

...and now they want to try and make money out of this; pffft

Predseda · 21 January 2018, 23:39

But ""L'Amazone Queen" is not going to be sold for money I think. Thats a difference.

Greyfox · 21 January 2018, 23:57

That's fair enough Phil..I think when scene releases like this materialise it's the pleasure of the work to put the smile on people's face when they boot up the finished article. I'm wondering when is the next project gonna be on the cards..I miss my name in lights thanks to your awesome skills ��

Hope all is well ..its been a while since I popped over here.

Galahad/FLT · 22 January 2018, 00:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyfox

That's fair enough Phil..I think when scene releases like this materialise it's the pleasure of the work to put the smile on people's face when they boot up the finished article. I'm wondering when is the next project gonna be on the cards..I miss my name in lights thanks to your awesome skills ��

Hope all is well ..its been a while since I popped over here.

Got other stuff in the pipeline that are sure to need your deft skills, so don't be a stranger.

Finally fixed a critical bug in Starquake, and its going for final testing at the South West Amiga meet in Swindon as there will be a load of different hardware there to test it on, and then its ready for release (barring any issues!), and I can move onto the next one

Galahad/FLT · 22 January 2018, 00:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Things such as the artwork which belonged to the late great Bob Wakelin which he's sure not to have licenced

I don't think thats necessarily true. I'm pretty sure that anything Ocean commissioned Bob to do, belongs to Ocean (Infogrammes).

Greyfox · 22 January 2018, 00:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galahad/FLT

Got other stuff in the pipeline that are sure to need your deft skills, so don't be a stranger.

No worries..find me on the local haunts when your ready to make history again

21 January 2018, 16:28	#1
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 9,009	Where Time Stood Still - Boxed Copy (rejected) I've recently been contacted by a guy that has bought up the publishing rights to a lot of games, and if he is to be believed, that includes some Ocean titles. I cannot confirm whether this guy is 100% legit or not, its easy to claim "Yeah I've bought the rights to it", especially in light of the fact The Speris Legacy is on the Dream17 site with "permission" from Team 17, when The Speris Legacy doesn't even belong to them, they simply published it (Binary Emotions own it). But anyway, he asked me about doing a boxed version of Where Time Stood Still because he has the rights to the ST version as well. I have refused. The reason is simple. I didn't do Where Time Stood Still on my own, I had fantastic help from ADRDesign, Hoffman, Greyfox, Leathered (RIP), and they ALL gave up their valuable time for FREE. Not that I expect a boxed copy of this game to sell particularly well in any case, but I will NOT profit off the efforts of those that helped me to get the game done. So in the interests of fairness, and so that future projects are not affected by people thinking that they are being taken advantage of, I won't give permission for the Amiga version of Where Time Stood Still to become a boxed game for sale. It's just not right.

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21 January 2018, 16:31	#2
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,546	Nice. So now back to boxed Starquake

21 January 2018, 16:34	#3
AmigaRob Registered User Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Nottingham Posts: 25	There is a growing market for collectors wanting boxed versions of games, particularly new/home brew conversions. I think if there are people willing to buy it then I would not judge you for doing it, as long it was proven legitimate and everybody that contributed (including the original coders of the original version) got their opportunity to take their fair slice. At the end of the day, he could produce the box, manual and a blank labelled floppy and tell buyers to write the disk themselves. The normal run for these kind of projects seems to be no more than 500 units so we are not talking about a fortune to me made anyway.

21 January 2018, 19:53	#4
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,900	It's not an easy decision... So Respect Galahad ! Such an attitude is rare in the present day.

21 January 2018, 20:55	#5
ross Defendit numerus Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Crossing the Rubicon Age: 53 Posts: 4,476	Wise and clear decision.

21 January 2018, 22:14	#6
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,442	Well ok, things are simple : Ocean has been bought by infogrames. The Ocean assets and all the things coming along with them are theirs. I wonder who can be that guy ?

21 January 2018, 23:16	#7
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,356	Things such as the artwork which belonged to the late great Bob Wakelin which he's sure not to have licenced

21 January 2018, 23:39	#9
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,546	But ""L'Amazone Queen" is not going to be sold for money I think. Thats a difference.

21 January 2018, 23:57	#10
Greyfox Pixel Blender! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Dublin, Ireland Age: 51 Posts: 267	That's fair enough Phil..I think when scene releases like this materialise it's the pleasure of the work to put the smile on people's face when they boot up the finished article. I'm wondering when is the next project gonna be on the cards..I miss my name in lights thanks to your awesome skills �� Hope all is well ..its been a while since I popped over here.

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