04 September 2010, 15:30 | #1 |
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Getting stuff off very old disks
Looks like most or all of my old Amiga floppies are too old to get data from, at least using the floppy drive I have.
Anything else to do, or am I out of luck? |
04 September 2010, 16:15 | #2 |
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Well, if it's stuff you've made yourself, or rare stuff, I would give it a go. For all else there are plenty of disk images on the net already of pretty much all types of programs that you can get and put on brand spanking new floppies.
I have a habit to always open the flap and check that the disk surfaces are dust-and hair free (if it's not I blow it off) before I put a disk in any floppydrive. That's a good tip even if the disks are supposed to work fine, cos then you get much less dust accumulation inside the drive. You haven't written what setup you have. If you have an Amiga without an external floppy I would recommend that regardless, and then you could read the disks with that before giving up on them. There are floppy drive cleaning kits on amigakit.com and eBay if you suspect the drive(s). |
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I've got a Catweasel Mk 4 and an internal floppy drive in a PC. I'm not worried about stuff I can download; it's mostly files myself and others made I'm worried about.
I'm getting, at best (in ImageTool), a lot of red sectors, some yellow sectors and a few green sectors. |
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Speak to Prowler on here (no, he doesn't actually prowl for things but he just likes the name), he's like the McGyver of the floppy disk recovery world
Legend has it he entered a bank vault using the shutter on a 3.5" floppy disk once foiling $50 million dollars of security features! Last edited by Paul_s; 04 September 2010 at 23:24. |
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Whenever I've come across disks that appear not to work it has always turned out to be the drive is broken and in some cases the faulty drive has turned out to be responsible for damaging the disks.
Always test your drive is working well with some unimportant known good disks for a while, take a look under the shutter for signs of damage or ware. |
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You mean the shutter on the floppy? Not sure how to look for wear and tear there. Guess I try sticking in a different floppy drive? |
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Have you tried using some kind of data recovery software?
I don't know what Windows software you'd use to recover data from Amiga floppies. But I guess running DiskSalv from within UAE would work. |
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If I'm reading that right, it's for later than Amiga 500? We only owned an A500.
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Does it (ImageTool) combine or replace sector reads? That is, within a sector, does it take the reliable data from each read and add it to past reads, or does it simple replace a poorer sector read with a better one, for the entire sector?
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What you describe as a better alternative (i.e., adding reliable data from each read to past reads) sounds more like very expensive forensic quality disk imaging software! |
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06 September 2010, 23:52 | #13 |
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You might have told us your setup at the start, we're not psychic
I guess known good disks read fine? I.e. write a disk, read it back, compare - or similar. I guess you're reading Amiga disks written on an Amiga and not with the CW? Were they written on DD disks or HD disks? If HD, is the HD-hole still covered? Just wondering how you have reached the tentative conclusion that all your old disks are duff. Tell us more. |
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Seems to be worse with PCs, but I have seen this with Amiga, too. Drives fail. |
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I've got no known good disks. Yep; old amiga 500 stuff. They've got one hole on the upper right, so DD, I think. I used to know that stuff... Went through a bunch quick. Fields of red with patches of yellow, maybe green. I ran a disk through 99 retries; the drives not faulty. It's not necessarily a good floppy drive, but it's not damaging. I think. There's no scratches, anyway. Just shiny disk. |
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I guess you could name your price, depending on exactly what features you require. There would not be a huge demand for this kind of software, or the hardware to run it on and the amount of storage required, so it's likely to be in the thousands rather than hundreds I would have thought. |
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My understanding is the only difference is the floppy controller; a Catweasel is a floppy controller.
I was hoping you knew of something like that. |
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Which means there should be no difficulty reading any supported formats. If there is difficulty, that's something I'd like to know about.
I was wondering how effective ImageTool is at retrieving data, so I asked a specific question based on behavior I'd observed. |
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Provided both that the disks ares readable and the floppy drive is in full working order, then the ImageTool should have no difficulty creating valid images of the disks. If you haven't found evidence of physical damage to the disks' recording surface, then the most likely reason for the problems you are experiencing is corruption of the actual data caused, for example, by inadvertently exposing them to a magnetic field. |
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