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Old 24 February 2020, 21:50   #1
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What is the active 68060 user base ?

Is it 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 10,000? I honestly have no idea so would appreciate your guesstimate.

Few months ago I wouldn't have considered 10,000 as a possibility, but given the number of vampires, 10,000 isn't entirely absurd.

Then again, I suspect much less 060 systems sold than A500.

Either way, my quick Google search is coming up with contradictory results, so I would appreciate your input.

If you could estimate what is the most common cpu frequency, that would be helpful.

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Old 24 February 2020, 21:54   #2
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I really doubt "Vampire" users are more than 1000; probably not even close; and given that they are still somewhat flaky, hard to purchase and constantly changing...

As for 68060 users; just a guestimate but would probably be 2000+.

Probably even more for 68040 users; 4000+.

No stats to confirm, just my own gut feelings from observing stuff on EAB for the past 15 years; which yes, isn't the complete Amiga community picture.

I'm sure someone like Jope i.e. EAB's resident hardware moderator will have a better idea.

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Old 25 February 2020, 02:21   #3
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There's a lot of German users who generally don't post on English-language forums, and they bought the most 68060 cards.
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Old 25 February 2020, 02:23   #4
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Are 060 cards still available to buy anywhere?
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Old 25 February 2020, 02:27   #5
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Are 060 cards still available to buy anywhere?
Brand new? No -- sort of. But there are some new board designs in development from the usual suspects, and "new" A3660's are available. They used to require you to move over parts from an A3640 but I think there might be A3660's now that have all-new parts (other than the 68060).

Really the biggest problem is sourcing a proper 68060 that is not misrepresented by some seller in China.

EDIT:

Yeah checked, this A3660 has all the A3640 components reverse engineered and replaced with new parts, so it definitely counts as a new accelerator:

http://amiga68k.com/?product=a3660-cpu-accelerator
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Old 25 February 2020, 02:37   #6
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Nice, I have a Amiga 3000 I haven’t used yet. Maybe I’ll outfit it with an 060 and a Toaster.
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Old 25 February 2020, 03:11   #7
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Nice, I have a Amiga 3000 I haven’t used yet. Maybe I’ll outfit it with an 060 and a Toaster.
Be aware that the ECS Video Toaster can't fit in the A3000 -- but the Video Toaster 4000 will fit (with the AGA video pins just being left unused).
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Be aware that the ECS Video Toaster can't fit in the A3000 -- but the Video Toaster 4000 will fit (with the AGA video pins just being left unused).
That's not exactly true- it will fit if you cut a notch out of the back of the case, and make sure to insulate the top of the case so the Toaster doesn't short out.

I only know because I used to sell Toasters and we did this case mod a lot. The 3000 made a nice Toaster machine.

However, it will not fit if you don't cut the case.
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Old 25 February 2020, 03:58   #9
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Another drawback I remember is no AGA Effects. This a big drawback. All the effects I developed for the Video Toaster were AGA.
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Old 25 February 2020, 05:11   #10
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I really doubt "Vampire" users are more than 1000; probably not even close; and given that they are still somewhat flaky, hard to purchase and constantly changing...

As for 68060 users; just a guestimate but would probably be 2000+.

Probably even more for 68040 users; 4000+.
So, somewhere between 2,500 and 5,000 combined for both 68040 and 68060.

Thanks, that's good enough of an estimate.
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Old 25 February 2020, 05:25   #11
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There's a lot of German users who generally don't post on English-language forums, and they bought the most 68060 cards.
Makes sense. Germany was the strongest economy back then and these were very expensive toys...

Would those German users be part of the 2,500-5,000 group or are they separate?
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I really doubt "Vampire" users are more than 1000; probably not even close; and given that they are still somewhat flaky, hard to purchase and constantly changing...

Multiply that number by at least 3 for V2 users, add V4 users then you'll reach a fraction of the reality in your statement.
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Old 25 February 2020, 21:03   #13
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So Tuko; you are saying 3000 x V2 Vampire users and how many V4 Vampire users roughly?
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You got the figure, I won't disclose more specific numbers since they are private and that it is not the topic here.
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I don't really understand why you need to keep the number of current V4 Vampire users so private / secretive?

Especially when the only person who's actually interesting in writing a game specific for the Vampire would like to know the number of users for the Vampire / other accelerator cards...

Not sure how this could have any negative effect on sales, or anything else for that matter.

Anyway, whatever.

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Old 25 February 2020, 21:59   #16
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If all goes well for the usual suspects and the Vampire V4 sales continue the numbers will keep growing
Dont forget all the WinUAE users who may not have the money or space for real Amiga hardware
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Dont forget all the WinUAE users who may not have the money or space for real Amiga hardware
Yeah, I'd love to know how many "emulator" users there are out there... be it WinUAE / FS-UAE / other flavours.

I'm positive this number would be ten times any Vampire + other accelerator users; and probably more.
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I love my real Amiga's. I use them frequently. Yet, I can't deny that my Amiga use was rekindled by WinUAE. In fact, despite my love for CRT's and real hardware it's most definitely true that WinUAE is my "main" Amiga. I use WinUAE more than any other form of Amiga.

I'd go so far to say that without WinUAE, I'd probably not be using my real-HW Amiga's nearly as often.

So yeah, I'd agree the number of WinUAE users probably dwarfs the number of users of any other type of Amiga.
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Are 060 cards still available to buy anywhere?
Stephen Leary (Terrible Fire is making good progress on his 060 cards for A1200 and CD32). They will likely be built by the "usual suspects" (check Amibay and see whos selling the earlier Terrible Fire models.

Stephens YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu4...h7TGsmQ/videos

You also have the CS Labs folks..DOing lots of interesting stuff:
https://amitopia.com/soon-you-will-b...classic-amiga/
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Really the biggest problem is sourcing a proper 68060 that is not misrepresented by some seller in China.
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http://amiga68k.com/?product=a3660-cpu-accelerator
There are a couple of well known people within the Amiga community who have been sourcing 060 for years and yes, in that process they have been ripped off more than once with fake chips etc, but if you buy from them, there are actually plenty of chips to be found. Guys like Chucky will sell you genuine ones with *very little* risk for the buyer.
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