Will Amiga OS 4.0 ever get released? - Page 2

blade002 · 01 October 2006, 10:31

Well i suppose we can see it this way. Weve been screwed and screwed and screwed over and over by promises that have never come true.

But if someone or some company does try to revive some semblence of the Amiga, then no matter who is behind it, its still going to be baby steps and every achievement doesnt happen overnight. The reason why most people give up, is because they want a result sooner rather than later.

We have been waiting 12 years for a result though, and nothing has come of it. People quit though because they dont think big, its too hard or they tell themselves it will never happen, so it never does. Maybe one day it will, but that one day had better be soon and with better ideas behind it.

Most of us seem to spend everyday posting on this board. So there must be something more behind where we would like the Amiga to be other than a hobby. On the other hand though, what made the Amiga great is something that will be hard to replicate all over again.

killergorilla · 01 October 2006, 14:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murakami

I have no real interest in Windows for anything more than crashes, spywares and viruses. ;-)

Yeah it's what happens when a computer is still popular.

Murakami · 01 October 2006, 15:03

I don't think Windows is so popular. It's just the only choice you are presented to when you're going to buy a computer. Many people would buy something else if it's available.

Ultron · 01 October 2006, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murakami

I have no real interest in Windows for anything more than crashes, spywares and viruses. ;-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Yeah it's what happens when a computer is still popular.

Got an XP box running 24\7, for months, probably years(?), never crashed, no virus, no spyware. Use it regularly. Hell, i'm typing from it.

Gotta be nice to comment on something you know zilch about, apparently.

Ultron · 01 October 2006, 17:17

Just wait 2 more weeks!!!1!one!1!!

Murakami · 01 October 2006, 17:39

@Ultron

I use Windows every day and it's a really instable system which has no reactivity at all. Windows suxx. Any other system is really better : Linux, MacOS, AmigaOS, BeOS !

AMIGAZ · 01 October 2006, 18:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murakami

@Ultron

I use Windows every day and it's a really instable system which has no reactivity at all. Windows suxx. Any other system is really better : Linux, MacOS, AmigaOS, BeOS !

Running both WinXP on a PC here and have a Powermac dual G5 with OSX, have to say I haven't had any instability issues ever with WinXP or Win2000 but Windows isn't the most reponsive OS around , hope Win Vista will be better

Fred the Fop · 01 October 2006, 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by killergorilla

Yeah it's what happens when a computer is still popular.

Ehm..Mac OS is nowhere near as ubiquitous as Windows, (5-6 % of US market, but that is huge in itself), and Mac has no spyware, viruses or the ilk.

Fred the Fop · 01 October 2006, 20:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by guru64

Oh Man. I can hardly believe this shit I am reading.

the new hardware Samantha, blablabla. some CPU with 500MHz and an ATI Radeon Mobility M9 integrated graphic chip, with 64Mb ram DDR, and even some PCI Slots.

Where can I order this State of the Art piece of hardware. I know this will be the revival of Amiga and beginning of it's World Domination. crushing Microsoft Intel and AMD alltogether

...as presented on Pianeta Amiga
Is this some garage meeting of 3 guys and their dogs? cant be much more.

sorry. this is just too funny to read.

Amiga

PS. guess I can throw my Intel Core2Duo (~6GHz) and GeForce 7900GT in the thrash this christmas

PPS. Makes me wonder if I shouldn' label my old Pentium garbage machines "Amiga 2006" and sell it to some weirdos for OS4 usage.

funny

guru64 · 01 October 2006, 21:22

about M$ Windows XP:
I also don't like Microsoft and all the crap they are pulling off, but I still use XP as my main OS. Why? Well, anyone who understands the basics of computer-technology, knows a little about the machines internals can pretty much make it a stable and enjoyable system. I don't even have a Virus Backgroundscanner running and still haven't had a virus in years. I just know that I don't use IE to surf the net and I don't use Outlook to read my mails. Occasionally I run a virus scan, that's about it. Having a nice firewall running also helps. Turning off XP "spyware" is also pretty easy. After installing the OS just run xpantispy or similar, and your on the save side.

I'd rather keep XP and not install vista, since I hate all DRM crap and similar efforts by M$ & Co.

For servers I only use Debian Linux. Windows is definitely NO option there.

At home I use a modded xbox(1) to watch DVDs, videos, play Mame,c64, and some Amiga games. pretty cool system! better than a real DVDplayer!

13 October 2006, 11:25

Look people,

I was really tempted to buy an AmigaONE with AmigaOS4 and do some developing on the system. I was sad to see that the boards were no longer being produced, even if they were so expensive.

What's important now is that we are not talking vaporware anymore; the A1 was around, it worked, and so did AmigaOS4. Heck yeah, it was damn expensive, and it sure would take a pretty enthusiastic Amigan (or a long time one that learned a lot during those times, like me) to shell out for a board. But the ice has been broken.

All we need now is a cool, new, cheap(er) board to run OS4 on. That's not so difficult to achieve, and I believe that Samantha is going on the right direction using the industrial and embedded sector as a "take off" platform.

Actually, that's exactly what I want: a cool, silent, small form factor Amiga system to develop on. For fun. Maybe such a system could in fact re-unite
some of the old-time Amigans, and create a healthy community around it. It doesn't have to be a Quad Xeon Woodcrest with 8GB of RAM and a Quadro FX 4500. We all know how efficient AmigaOS is, and how creative the Amiga community is/was, and targeting bleeding edge technology wouldn't make the system affordable.

Bottom line is, I think some of you are being a little over-pessimistic. We all moved on computer-wise, but if you were realistic, you would see the system was already out there and working, for a huge price. People who have their AmigaONEs seem to be thrilled with them, so all we need is a new, cheaper board. And that *seems* to be happening.

Windows can be made to work reliably if you know your way around it (most people don't). What it lacks SERIOUSLY is workflow, it's always getting in the way of your work. MacOS X is probably the best OS out there hands down. Linux is great for geeks, embedded systems and simple/dedicated-use computers. I trully believe there would be a place for the Amiga in this varied World!

If it does come to fruition, I'd love to see how many of you would re-unite to create a new community, based on the spirit of the old one? I know I'll be there, I love the "feeling" the Amiga gave me while enjoying computing!

P.S.: I'd love to have such a board selling on the 100-150 Euro mark; it would be a great viable choice for lots of embedded work on my company! I would need Java though, but I would help at making it available for the system!

Duke · 13 October 2006, 12:07

I would love to buy a board capable of running OS4 for under 200 Euro, but realistically, that will never happen.

_ThEcRoW · 13 October 2006, 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murakami

I don't think Windows is so popular. It's just the only choice you are presented to when you're going to buy a computer. Many people would buy something else if it's available.

The only choice? I have installed in my system along with XP Suse Linux and Aros, Amithlon and soon will try Amiga XL under Qnx. So xp it's the only choice? HA!. The only thing that makes me keep the xp partition is for games and of course Winuae!. So i have plenty of flavors already to be chosen such as bsd, haiku, etc..., so i think that a pc has more options in regard to os that you have said.

_ThEcRoW · 13 October 2006, 15:02

"All we need now is a cool, new, cheap(er) board to run OS4 on."

There has been some of these boards, but the genius behind the project choose to stick to exclusive and overproced hardware.

"and targeting bleeding edge technology wouldn't make the system affordable."

What?, are you saying that x86 boards aren't cheap?. Yeah, a low end ppc board is better because is exclusive hardware etc..etc...

dambuster · 05 November 2006, 22:44

Must admit i quite fancy a Dragon 1200 board with the coldfire cpu, and the quoted price is palletable, wont have to earn too many brownie points.

Methanoid · 04 January 2007, 09:22

isnt the Dragon even more "mythical" than Samantha and Efika?

shillard · 04 January 2007, 09:25

I thought it was based on a Tesla drawing, and had the anti-grav and perpertual motion chips as standard?

mailman · 04 January 2007, 18:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Methanoid

isnt the Dragon even more "mythical" than Samantha and Efika?

Rather not. You seem not to be up-to-date. Dragon has been already demonstrated in work. I think this news item should interest you as well as links to the movies on Elbox page. You should also check out other Amiga news portals and news that concern this event.

Retro1234 · 04 January 2007, 19:35

The Dragon looks grate But can it run PPc native on it processor Can it run Os4?

mailman · 04 January 2007, 19:58

Good question. I need to investigate about PPC but I am 100% percent that it cannot run OS4.

01 October 2006, 21:22	#30
guru64 Oldskool God Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: europe Posts: 28	about M$ Windows XP: I also don't like Microsoft and all the crap they are pulling off, but I still use XP as my main OS. Why? Well, anyone who understands the basics of computer-technology, knows a little about the machines internals can pretty much make it a stable and enjoyable system. I don't even have a Virus Backgroundscanner running and still haven't had a virus in years. I just know that I don't use IE to surf the net and I don't use Outlook to read my mails. Occasionally I run a virus scan, that's about it. Having a nice firewall running also helps. Turning off XP "spyware" is also pretty easy. After installing the OS just run xpantispy or similar, and your on the save side. I'd rather keep XP and not install vista, since I hate all DRM crap and similar efforts by M$ & Co. For servers I only use Debian Linux. Windows is definitely NO option there. At home I use a modded xbox(1) to watch DVDs, videos, play Mame,c64, and some Amiga games. pretty cool system! better than a real DVDplayer! Last edited by guru64; 01 October 2006 at 22:58.

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01 October 2006, 10:31	#21
blade002 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Age: 50 Posts: 2,616	Well i suppose we can see it this way. Weve been screwed and screwed and screwed over and over by promises that have never come true. But if someone or some company does try to revive some semblence of the Amiga, then no matter who is behind it, its still going to be baby steps and every achievement doesnt happen overnight. The reason why most people give up, is because they want a result sooner rather than later. We have been waiting 12 years for a result though, and nothing has come of it. People quit though because they dont think big, its too hard or they tell themselves it will never happen, so it never does. Maybe one day it will, but that one day had better be soon and with better ideas behind it. Most of us seem to spend everyday posting on this board. So there must be something more behind where we would like the Amiga to be other than a hobby. On the other hand though, what made the Amiga great is something that will be hard to replicate all over again.

01 October 2006, 15:03	#23
Murakami Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Flayosc / France Age: 56 Posts: 57	I don't think Windows is so popular. It's just the only choice you are presented to when you're going to buy a computer. Many people would buy something else if it's available.

01 October 2006, 17:17	#25
Ultron Something Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Amigaland, Nostalgia Age: 48 Posts: 757	Just wait 2 more weeks!!!1!one!1!!

01 October 2006, 17:39	#26
Murakami Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Flayosc / France Age: 56 Posts: 57	@Ultron I use Windows every day and it's a really instable system which has no reactivity at all. Windows suxx. Any other system is really better : Linux, MacOS, AmigaOS, BeOS !

13 October 2006, 11:25	#31
Flink Posts: n/a	Look people, I was really tempted to buy an AmigaONE with AmigaOS4 and do some developing on the system. I was sad to see that the boards were no longer being produced, even if they were so expensive. What's important now is that we are not talking vaporware anymore; the A1 was around, it worked, and so did AmigaOS4. Heck yeah, it was damn expensive, and it sure would take a pretty enthusiastic Amigan (or a long time one that learned a lot during those times, like me) to shell out for a board. But the ice has been broken. All we need now is a cool, new, cheap(er) board to run OS4 on. That's not so difficult to achieve, and I believe that Samantha is going on the right direction using the industrial and embedded sector as a "take off" platform. Actually, that's exactly what I want: a cool, silent, small form factor Amiga system to develop on. For fun. Maybe such a system could in fact re-unite some of the old-time Amigans, and create a healthy community around it. It doesn't have to be a Quad Xeon Woodcrest with 8GB of RAM and a Quadro FX 4500. We all know how efficient AmigaOS is, and how creative the Amiga community is/was, and targeting bleeding edge technology wouldn't make the system affordable. Bottom line is, I think some of you are being a little over-pessimistic. We all moved on computer-wise, but if you were realistic, you would see the system was already out there and working, for a huge price. People who have their AmigaONEs seem to be thrilled with them, so all we need is a new, cheaper board. And that seems to be happening. Windows can be made to work reliably if you know your way around it (most people don't). What it lacks SERIOUSLY is workflow, it's always getting in the way of your work. MacOS X is probably the best OS out there hands down. Linux is great for geeks, embedded systems and simple/dedicated-use computers. I trully believe there would be a place for the Amiga in this varied World! If it does come to fruition, I'd love to see how many of you would re-unite to create a new community, based on the spirit of the old one? I know I'll be there, I love the "feeling" the Amiga gave me while enjoying computing! P.S.: I'd love to have such a board selling on the 100-150 Euro mark; it would be a great viable choice for lots of embedded work on my company! I would need Java though, but I would help at making it available for the system!

13 October 2006, 12:07	#32
Duke HOL-Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Germany Age: 43 Posts: 520	I would love to buy a board capable of running OS4 for under 200 Euro, but realistically, that will never happen.

13 October 2006, 15:02	#34
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	"All we need now is a cool, new, cheap(er) board to run OS4 on." There has been some of these boards, but the genius behind the project choose to stick to exclusive and overproced hardware. "and targeting bleeding edge technology wouldn't make the system affordable." What?, are you saying that x86 boards aren't cheap?. Yeah, a low end ppc board is better because is exclusive hardware etc..etc...

05 November 2006, 22:44	#35
dambuster Zone Friend Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Dundee / Scotland Posts: 151	Must admit i quite fancy a Dragon 1200 board with the coldfire cpu, and the quoted price is palletable, wont have to earn too many brownie points.

04 January 2007, 09:22	#36
Methanoid Retired Quartex Sysop Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Roman Verulamium Age: 58 Posts: 1,873	isnt the Dragon even more "mythical" than Samantha and Efika?

04 January 2007, 09:25	#37
shillard Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Newcastle / Australia Posts: 143	I thought it was based on a Tesla drawing, and had the anti-grav and perpertual motion chips as standard?

04 January 2007, 19:35	#39
Retro1234 Phone Homer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 5150 Posts: 5,773	The Dragon looks grate But can it run PPc native on it processor Can it run Os4?

04 January 2007, 19:58	#40
mailman Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Warsaw/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 2,427	Good question. I need to investigate about PPC but I am 100% percent that it cannot run OS4.

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